Proton Mail goes AI, security-focused userbase goes ‘what on earth’

https://awful.systems/post/1935055

Proton Mail goes AI, security-focused userbase goes ‘what on earth’ - awful.systems

we appear to be the first to write up the outrage coherently too. much thanks to the illustrious @self

Well, I was contemplating Protonmail…

I’m in the process of degoogling and dewindowing. I’ll be dammed if I’m going towards ANYthing even related to"artificial intelligence" if I can help it.

Feckin bullshit.

I’ll mention I went to Fastmail (mainly because they’re an Aus company as well as the privacy stuff), so far so good.
fastmail is viciously anti union however union.place/@fastmailunited/112672408714595554
Fastmail United USA (@[email protected])

Hello everyone! We have some unfortunate news. @[email protected] has made the decision to lay off 60% of our bargaining unit, including our bargaining committee, in a surprise restructure while we were in the middle of contract negotiations. Fortunately, we were able to negotiate for a much better severance package than we would have gotten had we not unionized when we did. We are grateful for the work that the Communication Workers of America put in on our behalf to get us the best deal they could.

The Union Place

ah fuck I wasn’t aware of this, thanks for mentioning

off the list they go

I ended up settling on Infomaniak’s kSuite after looking around. They’re partially employee owned (and I believe in the process of becoming fully owned by employees). I’ll grant their privacy policy is just standard EU/Swiss boilerplate, though.

The web client looks nice and kDrive is affordably priced if you need a Google docs/photos/drive alternative.

Was hesitating between Proton and Ksuite.

I was already pouting toward them, but you finished to convince me to go to Infomaniak, thanks!

I’ve been using them for my domain and email for almost a year now and I have no complaints. I had to talk to customer support twice to fix a couple things that came up and they got back to me right away. Can’t say the same for the last service I used lol

I think it’s fair to point out they’re not designed around encryption like proton is. It’s not a factor in my threat model because I treat email as non-private communication, but it’s something you should know if you’re wanting proton for that reason.

kDrive is a heavily customized Nextcloud/OnlyOffice implementation with a pretty new and well-regarded file sync algorithm they implemented last year. I would recommend cryptomator to client side encrypt anything you want to protect. It’s at rest encrypted, but not end-to-end because there’s nothing client side.Here’s a list of WebDAV urls from the Cryptomator community to help you set it up. KDrive is on there.

Anyway, hope it works out for you!

WebDAV URLs of Common Cloud Storage Services

This is a list of the most common WebDAV URLs you need to enter into the iOS and Android app if you want to connect to your cloud storage service. Cloud Storage ServiceURL 1&1 Online-Speicher (DSL)https://sd2dav.1und1.de 1&1 Online-Speicher (Webhosting)https://webdav.office.1und1.de blaucloudhttps://{username}.blaucloud.de/remote.php/webdav Disroot* https://cloud.disroot.org/remote.php/webdav/ freenetcloudhttps://webmail.freenet.de/webdav GMX MediaCenterhttps://webdav.mc.gmx.net HiDrive IO...

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