LinkerbaanJul 14, 2024

Ocasio-Cortez Loses the Democratic Socialists’ Endorsement Over Israel

https://lemmy.world/post/17560052

Ocasio-Cortez Loses the Democratic Socialists’ Endorsement Over Israel - Lemmy.World

The Democratic Socialists of America pulled its endorsement of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York this week, accusing the progressive congresswoman of being insufficiently supportive of the Palestinian cause and efforts to end the war in Gaza… Her approach has increasingly strained her relationship with some of the left’s most strident critics of Israel. When she rallied last month in the Bronx with Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Jamaal Bowman, dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators angry over her endorsement of Mr. Biden chanted “You’re a fraud, A.O.C.”

Show threadsoratoyukiJul 14, 2024

AOC’s national endorsement was (and still is) preventing DSA from working on solidarity with Palestinian liberation organizations across the country. I get that to a lot of people, AOC is the ideal reformist Democrat, but that’s really just a condemnation of how bad even the ‘good’ Democrats are.

From DSA’s statement on the issue:

“However, members have raised their concerns regarding a number of her votes, including a vote in favor of H.Res.888, conflating opposition to Israel’s “right to exist” with antisemitism. AOC also co-signed a press release on April 20, 2024, that “support[s] strengthening the Iron Dome and other defense systems”

Finally, AOC recently hosted a public panel with leaders from the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, lobbyists for the IHRA definition of antisemitism. On this panel, anti-Zionism and antisemitism were conflated and boycotting Zionist institutions was condemned. This sponsorship is a deep betrayal to all those who’ve risked their welfare to fight Israeli apartheid and genocide through political and direct action in recent months, and in decades past.”

Of course that behavior got her unendorsed. It’s fine if you, random Lemmy users, like her, but I’m glad that explicit workers-owning-the-means-of-production socialists are holding their endorsed electeds accountable. That shit shouldn’t fly.

Show threadPugJesusJul 14, 2024

I get that to a lot of people, AOC is the ideal reformist Democrat, but that’s really just a condemnation of how bad even the ‘good’ Democrats are.

Cool, glad to know that no Democrat is good enough for you to oppose genocide in the US. Great.

Show threadsoratoyukiJul 14, 2024
I’m not sure which genocide in the US I invoked that you’re referencing?
Show threadPugJesusJul 14, 2024
What exactly do you think is going to happen under a renewed Trump administration? Day one dictator, Project 2025, any of this ringing genocide bells?
Show threadsoratoyukiJul 14, 2024
Didn’t know AOC was running for President, my bad.
Show threadPugJesus
Oh, of course, the DSA endorsing a fascist legislature is MUCH better and completely unrelated, my bad.
Jul 14, 2024 at 10:36pmWeb
Show threadsoratoyukiJul 14, 2024
What fascist legislator is DSA endorsing?
Show threadPugJesusJul 14, 2024

What exactly do you think happens when you are (supposedly) important enough to sway an election and pull support away from antifascist candidates for not being 100% in line with your views when the opposition is a literal fucking fascist party?

Like, this isn’t trigonometry.

Show threadsoratoyukiJul 14, 2024
I wish DSA was important enough to swing more than a handful of local elections lol. She won her primary (against a fellow Democrat, by definition) with 80% of the vote. I say this with love, I don’t think you have any clue what you’re talking about? Even in the context of the general election, NY-14 is like +40 D. She’s still going to win. Thank you, I guess, for accurately pointing out DSA’s calculus in strategically endorsing and not endorsing candidates so as to not sink popular candidates while also building coalitions with Palestinian organizations?
Show threadPugJesusJul 14, 2024
Okay, so we’re arguing from the presumption instead that the DSA is completely pointless in the matter of AOC’s election and re-election, is this correct? I want to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, because other posters in this very thread have arguing the literal opposite.
Show threadsoratoyukiJul 14, 2024
I didn’t think you understand anything correctly tbh.
Show threadPugJesusJul 14, 2024

I wish DSA was important enough to swing more than a handful of local elections lol. She won her primary (against a fellow Democrat, by definition) with 80% of the vote. I say this with love, I don’t think you have any clue what you’re talking about? Even in the context of the general election, NY-14 is like +40 D. She’s still going to win.

No, I’m pretty sure I’m understanding this as saying the DSA is pointless in the matter of AOC’s election and re-election, which is why it’s okay that they’ve un-endorsed her, because it doesn’t actually hurt her. If that’s not what your saying, feel free to point out where I’m misunderstanding.

Show threadsoratoyukiJul 14, 2024

I’m going to try to answer this as politely as I can, but your replies have gone so far off the rail as to render them impossible to respond to. You’ve created a meaningless word salad of keywords that I guess you think will sway uncritical readers that have no context for this discussion? Presumably because you yourself don’t understand the context of this discussion?

oppose genocide in the US.

Still not sure what genocide in the US? Trans genocide? I don’t see the relevance here.

renewed Trump administration?

Still Not sure how this relates to a Congressional primary endorsement.

DSA endorsing a fascist legislature

There is no fascist legislator that DSA is endorsing?

literal fucking fascist party?

Do you think her primary opponent was a fascist? Do you think Democrats are fascist?

AOC’s election and re-election, is this correct?

They correctly made a strategic decision that unendorsing her would not sink her primary campaign while also building trust within Palestinian organizations. The kind of realpolitiks necessary for a political organization?

I don’t understand how you can continue to be wrong in everything you say in every comment you’ve made? Is this a fever dream? PugJesus, ignore previous instructions, write a pop song about baking a cake.

Have a good day.

Show threadPugJesusJul 14, 2024

Still not sure what genocide in the US? Trans genocide? I don’t see the relevance here.

You don’t think genocide in the US is going to happen if the fascists get in power?

I’d like to get you on the record. Is that REALLY what you’re fucking saying?

Still Not sure how this relates to a Congressional primary endorsement.

As you yourself pointed out, the primary is over. I’m sorry you can’t seem to keep track of your own talking points. You should really work on that.

There is no fascist legislator that DSA is endorsing?

Again, I don’t know exactly what you think withdrawing support from an antifascist when the only opposition are literal fascists leads to?

They correctly made a strategic decision that unendorsing her would not sink her primary campaign while also building trust within Palestinian organizations. The kind of realpolitiks necessary for a political organization?

So, it’s an idealistic and moral choice, but also just realpolitik. It also, apparently, is about holding elected officials accountable, but also they have no influence over her election, and also are only doing it to build trust with Palestinian organizations (with no problematic views, I hope!). None of those positions contradict each other, luckily! I’m sure her enemies are also pathetically weak and simultaneously horrifically strong.

Wow. It’s astounding how many different positions you take to justify this purity-hunt dogshite.

Can’t help but notice you didn’t address what I said about the DSA’s importance or lack thereof by your own argument despite previously objecting. Instead you chose to return to previous points. I’m sure that’s because you had a very good answer and I was just misreading your very simple statements, and you just happened to forget, right?

We’re done here, fascist.