Bill Gates-backed startup makes ‘butter’ out of water and carbon dioxide

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Bill Gates-backed startup makes ‘butter’ out of water and carbon dioxide - Lemmy.World

A California-based startup called Savor has figured out a unique way to make a butter alternative that doesn’t involve livestock, plants, or even displacing land. Their butter is produced from synthetic fat made using carbon dioxide and hydrogen, and the best part is —- it tastes just like regular butter.

Guarantee that A) it doesn’t taste just like real butter, and B) it’ll make you shit yourself and bring a return of the label “may cause anal leakage”.

Does that mean it’s not a potentially viable product? No, it doesn’t. But let’s not bullshit.

I get sick everytime I eat meat from Walmart. I fear bill gates butter will kill me.

The problem with Olestra (the anal leakage oil alternative) is it’s a mixture of hexa-, hepta-, and octa-esters of sucrose with various long chain fatty acids. The resulting radial arrangement is too large and irregular to move through the intestinal wall and be absorbed into the bloodstream.

What Savor has supposedly created is chemically identical to the fatty acids in butter. It’s not made of new compounds, but made in a new way.

What's up with people talking about shitting themselves?
We’re in the presence of masters of the art of shitting one’s self

There was a run of fat replacement back (iirc) in the late nineties. Olestra was one of the name brands.

It wouldn’t digest at all, and it also wouldn’t mix in happily with the rest of the body waste in the colon. Hence, anal leakage becoming a phrase you would see on food labels.

And you would, sometimes, have not only leakage, but diarrhea. Sometimes violent diarrhea.

Basically, the oil was slippery enough to escape the anus no matter how tight it was. And there was a lot of it, under pressure from other waste behind it.

Thank you for that insight. Kind of hilarious they didn't figure that out during product testing.
Interesting way to get fat alternatives, people are already used to eating fake butter regularly, so it probably wouldn’t take much to add this to our diet.
It’s also closer to butter than butter alternatives. It’s not made to be more healthy, just more planet friendly.

Fake food is going to be more healthy than the real deal?

Sure buddy

They said it’s NOT made to be more healthy.
It won't be, it's processed shite

So is any meat, mayonnaise, even butter is processed. Ever went into a fast food chain? Most ingredients are processed to the bits.

You better not take any medicine, that super processed? And Coca cola or any energy drinks? Bleh, made in labs!

I guess you only eat whole grains collected by you, that must suck.

I wrote it’s not made to be more healthy, because that’s the current marketing of butter alternatives. This isn’t claiming to be more healthy. The compounds are the same as the fatty acids in butter.

It’s simply a way to get butter while reducing carbon dioxide, rather than increasing it.

This fallacy is called an appeal to nature.
It is also a fact that butter is a staple food that has been used for thousands of years with a proven track record.
This fallacy is called an appeal to tradition.
Just because something is fallacy the way it was presented does not make it wrong if he facts check out :)
Your facts don’t check out, that’s what makes you wrong.
Is butter not the best product in its class? both from health ie nutrition value and taste perspective?
Not anymore.
I trust you bro

“Bro”, butter is literally just a hydrocarbon. As in carbon atoms and hydrogen atoms.

Making it in the lab produces chemically identical molecules.

As in, literally the same thing. Like actually for real no difference. Including however bad or healthy it is to eat.

Any nuances in the real thing will be from impurities that would have to be added to the lab produced stuff, should you want to.

The real difference is how it is made, not in what it produces. Meaning the synthetic option can be produced without livestock, and potentially using much less energy and land.

"Bro", butter is literally just a carbohydrate.

🤡🤡🤡

If you want to be pedantic, straight out of the lab this stuff would be equivalent to “clarified butter”. Butter, from which all impurities have been removed.

Still butter tho.

*hydrocarbon, not carbohydrate (the latter contains oxygen). Otherwise spot on.
Don’t trust them. Read the article, use your brain, and understand why your comments are wrong.

I am just going with ol realiable

y'all have fun testing another "product"

This is called the fallacy of being ignorant.
This may be a logical fallacy known as false equivalence, when one fact is stated or implied to be conflated with another not directly related fact.
So was margarine before veganism was a widespread thing?
If it’s chemically identical, what does it matter if it’s come from dairy, this process, or a Star Trek replicator?
Fake medicine is going to be more usable than the real (plant) deal? Sure buddy.
It’s not made to be more healthy, just more planet friendly.

Good or bad, it’s still processed food.

That’s my half-assed neutral statement. I choose not to eat processed foods. As long as there’s disclosure, I don’t care.

What people eat or don’t eat is their business.

Sounds like margarine with more chances to shit myself
Margarine is made of hydrogenated oil. This is chemically identical to the fatty acids in butter. It’s not an alternative for dietary purposes, it’s just a more planet friendly solution.

actual margarine is getting hard to find in stores around here, and when you do it’s priced almost as high as a non-sale price of real butter. margarine has 80% fat content and similar baking and cooking properties as butter.

what’s on store shelves is a cheapened, watered down product laced with extra chemicals and fillers, ranging from 25-40% oil and can’t even make a proper box of mac & cheese. some of them don’t even melt when put on toast, hot, right from the toaster.

What about the trans fat byproduct?

Carbo-LEO.

“You see, we take all that bad stuff we learned from Oleo pantshitting technology, and then we move it around. Now we have ‘Carbo-LEO’'.”

Found the guy who failed high school chemistry.
I see you didn’t read the article
Basic internet etiquette. Never read the article. Disagree with everyone. You are always right. Everyone else is always wrong etc.
You are absolutely wrong.
I think it’s closer to the coal butter synthesis but maybe they found a more efficient method using other carbon sources

The process required at least 60 kilograms of coal per kilogram of synthetic butter.

So this new carbon sequestering program is going to be kind of a good news / bad news thing. …
There are ≈950 gigatons of excess CO2 in the atmosphere 27% of that by weight is carbon, the us population is 333milion, so if every American eats 770lbs of carbon sequestered butter we will solve climate change.
Of course the danger is that this is cancelled out by increased carbon emissions from a making a commensurate amount of toast.
Just got to start deep frying our steaks in this new butter and we’ll get there in no time

My thought was "I doubt you can make fat only with hydrogen and carbon", but fats/lipids are literally hydrocarbons. Adding other elements changes the taste, so it isn't necessary to have mammals anywhere in the production chain.

Very interesting and probably not the first time this is/has been done. It seems quite obvious.

Fat - Wikipedia

It’s quite obvious at a theoretical level but not easy in terms of figuring out the actual process. A lot of science like that.

According to the savor team, it was quite easy for them:

“We start with a source of carbon, like carbon dioxide, and use a little bit of heat and hydrogen to form chains which are then blended with oxygen from air to make the fats & oils"

I want to guess they are glossing over a complicated enzyme they created, or other form of reagent.

Yeah, they’re definitely glossing over a lot of things. They don’t even mention the source of co2 or even a real timeline.
That’s like saying you can build a nuclear bomb by smashing pieces of uranium together. Technically true, but it’s a lot more complicated than that.

Something I wondered with this, is that butter/margarine/similar need an emulsifier. They consist of basically 80% fat + 20% water, which would not normally mix, but then you add an emulsifier and they do.

There’s lots of different emulsifiers. In butter, it’s apparently mostly casein. My margarine lists lecithin and glyceride.

And well, looks like glyceride consists out of lots of H, C and O, so I’m guessing that’s probably what they’re using in this process…

Glyceride - Wikipedia