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lseifthats fine with me, since im not sick in the head, and i respect peopleās consent
I respect peopleās consent in the scenario where itās something they experience or are affected by it. Iād imagine frozen time is consequence free zone for everyone.
Yes this is fantasy but what youāre effectively stating here is that if you donāt get caught itās not wrong. The same argument would justify groping a deep sleeper, do you think thatās not wrong?
No, not really. Iām saying that if thereās zero effect for the would-be victim, I canāt see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. Theyād be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what Iād consider harmless.
thatās another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category.
So debate it.
An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me.
Youāre once again relying on the fact that someone wonāt find out in order for you to feel that youāve gotten away with it. Thatās not a moral act, thatās an immoral act that has gone by unnoticed.
Maybe youāre not hurt by me jerking it to you but youād be hurt by another violation of your identity like me impersonating you to call your mother names and hurt her feelings. Those are both violations of you, and theyāre ways of using you as a means to a selfish end.
Philosophical moral frameworks which people tend to follow include the idea that human beings shouldnāt be used as a means to an end.
We can tweak your example to one where the simulation is of someone that doesnāt exist and thereād be even less to call into question, but maybe at that point you feel you wouldnāt get the same thrillā¦ That thrill is a sign that youāre being immoral.
Youāre probably young and will hopefully continue to develop mentally and emotionally and will learn empathy, but your views here are problematic.
Never use the word problematic again.
Oh no I upset the fragile boy
Iām a man, baby. But fragile is correct. Arenāt we all?
I do get you're trying to get at consent is key, but your argument is flawed in that using a simulated copy to insult one's mom still brings a real person into it
Use a digital copy of me to hurt people, yeah I'd be upset
Use a digital copy of me as a sex toy? I'd be fine with that
dohpaz42Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, Iād probably do it. Iām not proud of that aspect of my morality, but Iād be lying if I denied it.
That said, I remind myself that if Iām too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something Iām doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find outā¦ and frankly, I donāt think I could live with myself.
Right or wrong, thatās my take on it.
Thatās a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I donāt think itās a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing whatās best for you and society at large.
People have empathy to varying degrees and itās something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I donāt think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured Iād share this perspective.
Well thank you for that assurance. Itās a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, āI donāt need a book/law to tell me whatās right or wrong,ā are lucky in that respect.
I donāt think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. Iām not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldnāt exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior.
Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way thereāll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldnāt be something to admire and respect as part of oneās character.
Why should I put aside my feelings to protect someone elseās feelings who arenāt even gonna feel them for not knowing?
Nah, people will judge you for totally harmless shit. Their judgement doesnāt mean youāre wrong. People hide their gayness or niche religions under the everything of people and they should not have to.
True when will rapists get to come out of the closet. What an insulting comparison.
Who said anything about rape? Also clearly you can figure out morality without it being external judgement. Youāre coming at me with a chip on your shoulder.
bizarrolandI mean, I could see doing stuff like stealing an awful lot of money from large multinational corporations.
Stockpiling gold, jewelry, and valuables from predatory pawn shops and stuff like that.
I wouldn't have a lot of personal grief over the theft of property but I would have to draw the line where it comes to interfering with people.
I wouldn't use time stopping powers to rape anyone or to kill my enemies or anything like that.
Might take a few politicians and like royally fuck with them until they are so unsettled that they can't function in society anymore though.
AnyOldName3Installing hidden cameras in a public toilet is harmless by that definition as long as they never get discovered, but would still be highly immoral. I donāt think youāve thought this through. Peopleās right to decide what happens to their body extends to things like who can see it rather than just who can physically touch it.
Religious people all think thereās a god watching them 24/7 and seem fine with that. Those same religious people didnāt seem to think I should get to decide to keep my foreskin.
The thing about the bathroom camera is that itās like content piracy, and I personally donāt really care to engage in business of that nature. If youāre selling it, I donāt want it. Iām not more likely to pay just because I didnāt get it for free.
Iām more concerned about the nature of law and enforcement in relation to this kind of privacy breaches. The law can and will act on shit, and they need to be as restrained as we can get them. Iām never worried about embarrassing myself around a rational thinker. Iām worried of embarrassing myself around irrational judgement from people who will hurt me or make my life worse. The only real situation where Iām not worried about being watched is by people who straight up cannot do anything with what they see. No talking, no sharing, etcā¦ I donāt wanna hear distant snickers from people who know what Iāve put in my butt.
āļø-Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what Iād consider harmless.
you would enjoy the USS calister
Whatās that?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Callister
basically an episode that plays into that idea of cloning someoneās consciousness into your own personal hell
Noooooo, the consciousness is the morality anchor! We donāt fuck with that!
Iām just talking about physical stuff.
Edit: I REALLY gotta get back into watching black mirror though.
the last season was kinda meh, but its generally pretty good still until then
iād imagine not ā¦???
Yeah, frozen time isnāt really it.