SatyrSackWhen you finally get to watch Discovery and realize it isn't actually an enormous pile of mugato dung
ZeroGravitasCare to elaborate? Didn’t watch it yet, this is an honest question.
Thorry84Discovery is very divisive among viewers. People same to really like it or really hate it with not much in between. Both sides have valid arguments, but people forgot there is a middle ground.
Discovery, especially the last 2 seasons are very, very inclusive. Which pisses some people off.
Next to that everything is debated. Sometimes way too long. And if you cant look past that it’s sure to annoy you very much.
Lol at people getting uppity over diversity. Like, that’s Star Treks’ most defining characteristics.
For me, it wasn’t so much the diversity, it was that everyone seemed to be struggling with their diverse identity. It’s the 23rd century, people should not be uncomfortable with their identities anymore, ESPECIALLY the crew of an advanced space ship. It just seems that rather than a professional crew that we see in every other Star Trek show, they decided to pack this one with a bunch of high schoolers struggling to figure out who they are. For fuck sakes, the ship itself starts having an identity crisis at one point.
My push back would be that the crew is from pre utopia federation. I think your take is reasonable though
It’s only 10 years before TOS. Earth and the federation were already post capitalism.
ZloubidaYeah I’m in the middle. More positive than negative, but I’m not a fan, especially of the 2 first seasons, it became better after the time jump.
However, even the first seasons do not deserve the hate we see.
I’m also in the middle, though more negative than positive. I love the inclusivity even though it’s a little heavy handed at times (more “let that be your last battlefield” than Uhura’s position on the bridge). I hate the stakes, internal conflict of the earlier seasons, and how far it feels from canon vs SNW or LD.
I agree the show is better post time jump, but to me it now feels like we know where the universe is going. Futures shown in one-off episodes are easy to wave away as alternate, but that seems harder for the franchise to manage when it’s multiple seasons.
ummthatguyIt seems to me the powers that be have already decided to stick with the jump to the 32nd Century, what with Starfleet Academy in production. What’s annoying is that there’s now another lost era. I’d expect a lot of Beta canon material, but not a lot of official content to fill the gaps.
remoteloveWatch it without reading any critic reviews first, is my opinion. (When I watched Enterprise, it just so happened my opinions aligned with other people’s complaints. I am glad I watched it first though.)
Things that people found divisive, I really didn’t. Some changes probably caught everyone off guard, hence the major controversy of season 1, but at least it was plausible that the change could align with the rest of the Star Trek universe in some way. Maybe.
Like most other new shows, it can be a bit rocky as the writers develop the story and underlying theme.
There’s few different criticisms of DISCO. From different perspectives
People who are concerned with canon have issues with the first couple of seasons because it’s set before TOS but has had a big visual reboot. They’d also probably argue that some of the story elements don’t fit in with canon.
The first season (at least) doesn’t feel very star trek, it’s got this whole grim dark thing going on. That is thankfully dropped later and you do get the normal hopefully outlook.
Characters aren’t developed very well. Even by the end I don’t think we’ve got to know anyone other than maybe Stamets and Tilly.
Plots often rely on the mystery box format, which has been disappointing when they don’t stick the landing
Plots are over whole seasons, when they probably don’t need to be.
Because of 5 production often started before writing had finished, and it shows. So you end up with a good start, a bunch of meandering, and then suddenly bam you’re at the final crisis.
Admiral PatrickYeah, my only complaints with it overall are the insanely high stakes every season. The format of the show is hyper-serialized by design, so each season is a 10-13 hour movie which appears to make “high stakes” a requirement. Once you accept that and go along for the ride, it is quite enjoyable.
That said, I do prefer the episodic format of SNW and LD.
apfelwoiSchoppenTotally second everything you state. The characters are absolutely great too, but the season story arcs with just incredible stakes are not my cup of tea. Serialized and packaged story EPs are preferred. That said I enjoy it for what it is.
Yeah, which makes the burn story kinda flop at the end. It was a good idea, a resource everyone has become dependent on becomes scarce. There was a lot of untaped potential there IMO, but a great premise. Then it gets turned into this asnine root cause. They could have done so much better. Imagine if they turned it into a tragedy of the commons. A warp superhighway wore a crack in subspace and that interacted with a nebula or something. It was a death of a thousand cuts and everyone ignored it. Maybe Starfleet even knew it could happen but ignored it because that’s how they have always done it, and even if Starfleet stopped the cardasians and the gorn etc would still be using dilithum based warp bubbles (excuse after excuse)… Heavy handed, maybe, but more meaningful.
MeldrikThat’s why I like Strange New Worlds better.
Boomer Humor DoomergodI thought Disco was pretty good, but it kept diverging further and further from what feels like Star Trek in the way that SNW does.
MudManI thought it got closer over time. Season 1 tired maybe a bit too hard to feel "new and fresh", but they reined it in a lot later on. I mean, obviously bringing the SNW Enterprise crew in for Season 2 was a bit of a mission statement, but the entire back half of the show is all about getting back to Trek status quo.
InfynisIt’s the classic hero’s journey, where the hero starts out grumpily going along with the journey, but by the end, taking the lessons to heart and standing as exemplar to those ideals
Season 1 that was true where was trying to be grim dark. But I’d say that was actually one of the things they fixed.
ThtevenGonna mark this account as a Stamets alt. Lmao
Right? It's pretty solid.
I think it's a shame the show ended on a bit of a downer, but season 1 is underrated and 2-4 are actually very watchable. I think my power rankings are 4>2>3>1>5, but I could change that in a rewatch.
teftMy reaction when someone says they don’t like Disco:
I really wish it had gotten seven seasons. By the end the episodes were getting really good, and I think they could have made it great with more time
Personally I thought season 4 was great.
I wished the last three seasons had been longer, like the first one; imagine the story arcs we could have gotten!
I absolutely heckin’ loved it
Personally, I was overall disappointed with DIS. But when watching it there was the occasional moment that I loved. Lorca was a great character (until they did the haha he’s actually super space Hitler rug-pull), much of the props, set designs, and costumes were great, Mudd was superb, it introduced us to Anson Mount’s Pike and led to SNW, Saru was genuinely one of the most interesting characters in all of Trek, etc.
It also had a bunch of stuff that I just really really didn’t like. But meh. That’s just, like, my opinion maaaaann.
I thought the last two seasons were good, but 4 was great.
I still don't recommend it though because of the first three.
I still don't recommend it though because of the first three.
I think a lot of the criticism of DISCO is overblown. It’s definitely a fun watch, but it never really feels like Star Trek. It feels like an action sci-fi show wearing a heavy coat of Star Trek paint.
It was good once I accepted it for what it is and stopped expecting it to be something like what I generally expect Star Trek to be.
Transporter Room 3That’s what a lot of modern Sci fi shows are doing these days, it seems.
Like the “Halo” show. It very much feels like someone took their idea for a show that got shot down, used find+replace to redo all the names and places to make it “halo” and got greenlit. And honestly I think I might have liked it as it’s own thing.
People that had qaulity shows for decades expect quality. If you want to make a scifi show either don’t call it Star Trek or accept the criticism
My main complaint is common to Picard: I don’t think the season long arcs were a good idea. I felt like maybe that had enough story for a “two partner” but stretched out to a season because “streamers binge”.
It’s pretty bad. Comparing it to other Trek or not. Writing is atrocious. Much of the acting is bad. Crying Captain crying damn near every episode. Not developing much of the bridge crew over 5 years. Not to mention not remembering their own rules (I remember once they said they couldn’t jump while cloaked, and then they did it).
Stamets, Saru, and Georgiou were they only ones that kept me watching.
If others can find joy in it, sounds good to me, but I’ll pass thanks.
It’s prettt terrible, not terrible enough to not see. The main problem is they made it very very difficult to care at all about anyone. Burnam is the most intollerable captain ever, they barepy develop any character at all, and if they do, ot’s only to kill them immediately after and try and squeeze some easy feelings from us. Well developed characters are instead falsely killed but ultimately protected by plot armor. As you mentioned, Stamets and Saru are the only decent guys
The acting is fine. The issue is the genre.
Discovery is melodrama, something previous series explicitly were not.
I can’t tell you much about acting, because I see the shows subbed. However, the writing is terrible, in any language. Not only their choice don’t make sense and there are constant plot holes, they are supposed to be seasoned Starfleet veterans, yet they act to dramatically, so emotionally, illogically and scared all the time.
And it’s not a smart “logic vulcans vs illogic humans” confrontation, it’s not a quirk of well defined characters with balance in their emotions; they are simply badly written for dramatic and sitting-on-the-edge type of narrative, which is fine I guess, but it’s a cheap way to get traction in the narrative, which doesn’t hold well for fans of the series that enjoyed the professionalism of Starfleet captains, supposedly the best of the best, capable of facing every menace.
Again, you want to do such a series, do it. But brand it as Star Trek, and you will get this kind of criticism.
Oh yeah, especially the season level writing. It’s been a recurring disappointment. It’s clear that they don’t know how to structure a 10-15 episode serial drama.
See, I’m torn. Because ST often gets weird and goofy, but DIS seemed to take that to another level with some REALLY questionable writing, directing, and acting at times. But that said, the big showpiece that DIS brings to the table - and imo, absolutely hits out of the park - is the pervasive theme of radical acceptance. For all the cringe and facepalm moments that the show has, THAT is a huge win - and in fact, goes to the very core of what the UFoP is supposed to represent both in-universe and in the context of fandom.
MaggiWuerzeWhat exactly were you missing in other shows that was accepted here (besides wild subordination and actual mutiny)? I have to say I felt somewhat uncomfortable with the amount of emotion they show during their work. I have no problem with the show exploring that, but these people are supposed to be professionals, having them cry during every shift doesn’t really give that impression
That’s what I mean about the bad acting. That was regularly cringey for me.
But they DID very directly and prominently address acceptance of and compassion towards various mental heath conditions, neurodivergences, and non-traditional personal/sexual identities, the importance of which should not be understated in this day and age.
That’s what I mean about the bad acting. That was regularly cringey for me.
But they DID very directly and prominently address acceptance of and compassion towards various mental heath conditions, neurodivergences, and non-traditional personal/sexual identities, the importance of which should not be understated in this day and age.
I find the first seasons pretty good, than it turns weird and then lukewarm.
Interesting. I think the first season is beyond abysmal but if you stick with it it picks up!
Really? I thought it found its place a lot faster than other Trek shows. TNG had a terrible first and middling second, DS9 is my overall favorite but it doesn’t pick up until very late in the third season.
A lot of people have a problem with the first season’s tone (which is no darker than DS9 so I don’t see the big deal) but the writing really was extremely solid. At least until the end when they decided to rush through wrapping up the Klingon war in two episodes because they spent so much time in the mirror universe.
Well put.
Until you ACTUALLY watxh it, and discover(y) that it’s an enormous pile of sucking Donkey balls
I’ll think you’ll find it’s Ubiquitous, Mendacious Polyglottal Donkey ball
Nice reference there!
It sucks soooo much.
Ugh, I would jump in the reactor and realign the warp core for Stamets any day.
I really loved Discovery. It had a couple of weird issues (stupid turbolift fight while appearing to flow through ridiculously empty space), but for the rest, it was amazing.
Dunno what show you watched. But I thought it was trash.
I did watch it, that’s how I know I don’t like it it didn’t take everyone else’s views and make them my own.
I salute your integrity 🫡
Same, I needed more after SNW and wasn’t quite ready for the way 80’s - '00s era Trek was filmed. I actually liked the first two seasons and thought season 3 was okay.
spoilerBut then we learned about the source of the burn.
And then season 4 happened. And then season 5 happened. It felt like all of these were leaning into my least favorite parts of Discovery. By the finale, I was fast forwarding through everything just to get through it.
Watching TNG for the first time now and loving it way more than Disco :)
Yeah, I got through season 3 and just let it go after that. Like the other seasons, the first half had me, but the endings killed it for me. And the endings just kept. Getting. Worse.
Sounds like you saved yourself 2 more aneurysms haha.
I actually liked a lot of S1 and S2 (S2 being peak because enterprise crew just carry the hell out of everything) but I also like edgy and dark media and can overlook a lot if the tone is done in a way that grabs me.
S3 looked promising until the “big reveal”. Couldn’t take it seriously after that. Forced myself thorugh S4 and S5 but those were just straight up annoying. I can’t stand it when things go wrong just because the protagonists are being stupid, or getting held back by some weird moral stance they clearly didn’t have 3 episodes ago. What’s even worse is when it’s so generic I can accurately predict how a 40-60 minute episode will end within the first 10.
Watching TNG for the first time now and loving it way more than Disco :)
There’s so much to look forward to! It is a bit dated and I watch it through rose-colored glasses, but even with that in mind, it’s a good show.