EU charges Elon Musk’s X for letting disinfo run wild

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EU charges Elon Musk’s X for letting disinfo run wild - Lemmy.World

The tech mogul’s platform is the first to get hit with charges under new EU social media law. The European Union is calling Elon Musk to order over how he turned social media site X into a haven for disinformation and illegal content. The EU Commission on Friday formally charged X for failing to respect EU social media law. The platform could face a sweeping multi-million euro fine in a pioneering case under the bloc’s new Digital Services Act (DSA), a law to clamp down on toxic and illegal online content and algorithms.  Musk’s X has been in Brussels’ crosshairs ever since the billionaire took over the company, formerly known as Twitter, in 2022. X has been accused of letting disinformation and illegal hate speech run wild, roll out misleading authentication features and blocking external researchers from tools to scrutinize how malicious content on the platforms spreads.  The European Commission oversees X and two dozens of the world’s largest online platforms including Facebook, YouTube and others. The EU executive’s probe [https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musks-x-probed-by-eu-for-failing-to-curb-toxic-content/] into Musk’s firm opened in December 2023 and was the first formal investigation. Friday’s charges are the first-ever under the DSA.  Infringements of the DSA could lead to fines of up to 6 percent of a X’s global revenue.

I don’t go on that shithole site, but it seems like he not just letting disinformation go wild, but banning info
And promoting disinfo. The blue checkmarks are basically just a way to pay for prioritized disinformation-spreading.
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DSA enforcement is spicy, since the EU can create its own team to fight disinfo on Twitter, and charge it to Musk, in addition to the massive fine.
Please tell me that, as someone outside the EU, I also reap the benefits of this spicy awesomeness.
As long as Twitter does business in the EU, it has to follow the law.

I can just imagine them hiding offending tweets in the EU only and letting the rest of us suffer.

It would be easier to just delete them but, well, musk.

Is 6% of global revenue enough? Or is that just a foot note in the books on the cost of doing business?
That could realistically be around 1/3 yearly profit in a reasonable company (18% operating margin is common). No idea whether Twitter is currently profitable (it wasn’t when he bought it).
Question still stands, is it enough?
I mean that seems reasonably punishing yeah, not nearly the hours worth of profit usually charged to companies breaking the law. I believe the EU can even enforce its own content moderation on the site and charge the costs of that to Musk so its pointless for a company to not follow the laws at that point …

Musk will buy a company and tank it for the memes. I don’t think a warning shot like this will sway his decisions on the direction of said company. The people making the decisions aren’t culpable, the company is. The people making the decisions will just leave to a different company and we can start the whole process over again.

I hope it’s enough and I sound like a bitter old man.

Then he can tank it for the memes. Do that to enough companies and the “weird genius techbro” mask starts slipping and the venture capitalists no longer want to bankroll you and you start being seen as a liability.
God that would be great to see, what a temper tantrum that would be.
yeah it seems big enough that it might be cheaper to hire moderators
Hire? There’s enough nazis dying to get that job for free.

Historically, no, because companies still misbehave, the fines aren’t high enough for them to not try and see whether they get away with stuff.

OTOH, historically, yes, because once fines come flying companies shape up.

That is, they’re willing to gamble on that initial fine, but absolutely won’t tank the recurring fines for continued infringement.

An example could be AliExpress, with a 130B in revenue and 11B in profit (2023), it would reduce their profit to 3.2B with the 6% fine. That’s a whopping 70% less profits, and cutting expenses isn’t gonna fix it either.

It’s 6% of revenue, not profit. So it cuts even more into profits as it doesn’t allow a company in reach of regulations to reduce the impact of the fine by adding expenses that will temporarily lower their profit.

Even more spicy, they can also impose periodic penalties up to 5% of the average daily worldwide turnover for each day of delay in complying. That shit can bankrupt you.

Thank you for showing me the teeth behind this ruling. If non-compliance carries harsher consequences, it may be enough
6% of profits would mean that EU owes twitter money.

Or Musk could pull Twitter out of the EU.

That would be so wonderful. The EU economy would probably take off, lol.

I’m no fan of Musk but given how other platforms like Meta, Reddit and even TikTok are kowtowing to Zionist pressure to clamp down on Palestinian support I’m extremely suspicious of this move. It seems like a convenient excuse for greater censorship.

You see, Twitter does that AND deliberately elevates far right conspiracies and other extremist content AND deliberately censors or at least delays opposing views.

I’m not saying that the EU shouldn’t also go after the other platforms you mention (they ABSOLUTELY should and probably will), but Twitter is tied with Facebook if not alone in first place when it comes to spreading disinformation.

If you cared to read the article, you will find that they also are investigating AliExpress, Facebook, Instagram and Tiktok.
Read the article? Are you new here?
Hey, did Nick Fuentes tell you to write that?
Maybe provide an alternative? Ban EU politicians from using Twitter for their official accounts
That would work against data harvesting (which Twitter obviously also does), but not against the spreading of disinformation.
oh no, what are they gonna do?? what are WE gonna do?? ;```````````(

Disinformation is words

It spreads on twitter, it spreads on facebook, on tiktok, on youtube, on discord, text messages, books, speeches, talking to coworkers. This is like the war on drugs except even easier to circumvent any bans. Youre not gonna beat disinformation by trying to block it.

When the vast majority spreads on several platforms, you can very much beat it by blocking it. We’re not doing it not because we can’t but because letting it spread is profitable. Prior to the invention of modern social media the problem of misinformation was much smaller. Yes of course it will never disappear but we don’t need it to disappear.
They’ve done research about deplatforming, and it’s actually really effective in reducing content - most of the followers aren’t motivated enough to jump to a different website to follow their conspiracy content.
Got reference on hand? I’d like to store it for future use. ☺️
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I wish you could’ve lived in the wild days of eating lead and radiation well before the internet was even an idea.
That kinda sounds like a threat.
You think im threatening to send you back in time???
Let’s just say you could… How much to go back 46 years?

No, but he is finding out why twitter had all of its policies on combatting misinformation before he took over and gutted the staff… to prevent getting sued. You can say anything you want in America and the government can’t tell you that you aren’t allowed to say it, but you are still accountable for the damages caused by what you say… just ask Alex Jones.

But operating in other countries doesn’t afford the same protections from government scrutiny.

Disinformation campaigns are part of the reason social media is causing as much social strife in the world. It is not outside a logical line of thought that governments are going to attempt to minimize the damages from platforms like Twitter when they can. You mainly not beat misinformation, but you can minimize the financial incentive to promote it if you fine the fuck out of it when you find it.

Youre mixing up the accusation that twitter isnt stopping misinformation with an accusation that twitter itself is speaking misinformation. We’re talking about them being held responsible for what other people say.

If you make a deal with someone to come on your front porch every day yelling hate speech into your loudspeaker I think you’ll find it’s pretty easy to be held accountable for what other people say.

Second, if you’ll remember, Twitter makes money from showing adds on this speech. It’s not like they’re doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. Profiting from hate speech isn’t going to be looked at kindly.

A deal with someone?
What’s confusing you?
That twitters made a deal with people to post misinformation

That’s not what I said. In neither situation does the deal enforce that the person HAS to use the loudspeaker for hate speech. I wish I could blame your reading comprehension but it’s painfully obvious you’re arguing in bad faith since this is the pedantic detail you’re stuck on instead of the rest of my argument.

Every Twitter user makes a deal with Twitter to get an account. This deal includes what’s acceptable behaviour. If Twitter’s policy allows hate speech then it’s Twitter’s fault their platform is spreading hate speech. If Twitter’s policy prohibits hate speech then it’s still their fault because they’re not enforcing their policy. This is something Twitter had no problem with before their degenerate new owner fired the enforcement team.

Now let’s see what pedantic detail you get stuck on this time instead of facing the fact Twitter is liable for enabling hate speech to spread faster than ever before!

All social media has had this problem for as long as its existed.

Musk is terrible, but he didnt buy twitter until after trumps presidency. After covid. Dont underestimate how much misinformation has occurred in the past.

“it was bad before so no point fighting now”

That’s what you sound like. Not to mention it’s undeniable that Twitter has more hate speech after apartheid emerald mine oligarch Musk bought it with Saudi money.

phys.org/…/2023-04-analysis-speech-significantly-…

Analysis finds hate speech has significantly increased on Twitter

Computer scientist Keith Burghardt at the Information Sciences Institute (ISI), a research institute of the USC Viterbi School of Engineering, has been studying social media for five years, and specifically studying online hate for the last year.

Phys.org

Oh my god he brought out the thats what you sound like

Thats a really short timeframe to draw conclusions from, with how noisy the graph is and an obvious temporary spike immediately following the takeover. Heres a wider angle graph digitalplanet.tufts.edu/…/MuskMonitor-02.jpg but even that is too short of a timeframe to get much use out of. I would love to see the data around 2016.

Milo Yiannoppolous agrees with you, which is why he’s such a huge celebrity today.

The article states that the EU is objecting to a couple of particular things:

The EU said X’s blue checks policy was deceiving and had been abused by malicious actors. The checks were initially created as as way to verify users like government officials, public figures and journalists, in efforts to limit misinformation, but Musk changed that policy, allowing users to buy blue check accounts. The new policy has been abused by fraudsters to impersonate U.S. politician Hillary Clinton and author J.K. Rowling, among many other celebrities.

The platform also didn’t respect an obligation to provide a searchable and reliable advertisement repository and limited access to its public data to researchers, the Commission said.

This is not some amorphous campaign against disinformation, it’s a challenge to two specific policies of X.

The European Commission oversees X and two dozens of the world’s largest online platforms

Sometimes it’s fun to be a grammar Nazi.

Knowing that omitting the word “other” implies that the hangout of REAL Nazis is at most the 25th largest online platform is one of those times 😁

I mean, yea. Of course it has become a haven for disinformation. That’s why he bought it.
The Autistic Community doesn’t deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as his.

Also, he just says he’s autistic. As far as is known, he’s never actually gotten an evaluation.

So he’s not just using autism as an excuse, he might not even have autism. And he wouldn’t, sadly, be the first to pretend he did to excuse his behavior.

This a French scientific study showing how the Russian regime tries to influence thé political debate in France, especially before the last parliamentary elections. hal.science/…/Chavalarias_23h50_Putin_s_Clock.pdf

In France, we have a concept called the “Republican front” that is kind of tacit agreement between almost all parties, left, center and right, to work together to prevent far-right from reaching power and threaten the values of the French Republic. This front has been weakening at every election, with the far right rising and lately some of the traditional right joining them. But it still worked out at the last one, far right was given first by the polls, but thanks to the front, they eventually ended up 3rd.

What this article says, is that the Russian regime has been working for years to invert this front and push most parties to consider that it is part of the left that is against the Republic values, more than the far right.
One of their most cynical tactic is using videos from the Gaza war to traumatize leftists until they say something that may sound antisemitic. Then they repost those words and push the agenda that the left is antisemitic and therefore against the Republican values.

At this point is there even a single country that Russia isn’t undermining? They are actively paying German far right politicians.