return2ozmaJon Stewart’s ‘told you so’ about Biden was the scolding we needed
The video:
Jon Stewart Examines Biden’s Future Amidst Calls For Him to Drop Out youtu.be/S9LZXheHddI
EleventhHourShitting the bed without a path forward isn’t clever. It’s just petty whining.
John RichardCalling your own voters bed-shitters, bed-wetters, whiners, etc. isn’t helping
Neither is calling the president a brain-dead loser without having an alternative.
Or how about listen to your voter base? Biden was looked at as a stand in after his first win. Ppl were not happy to vote for him twice. The DNC had 4 years to look for a viable replacement. Instead of acting like they can decide for us the DNC should of exercised potential replacements. It’s what got us Hilary even though she was wildly unpopular and clearly democrats learned fuck all since her campaign.
The DNC think they’re king makers in a democracy they claim they want to preserve. And yes I’m voting for anyone over Trump but the DNC should’ve not pushed their pick and let the primaries play out like the democracy its suppose to be
makeasnekOr how about listen to your voter base?
They literally did. In their primary. Which overwhelmingly voted for Biden. Anybody could have run, some people did, none of them held a candle to Biden’s numbers.
How many primary debates did the DNC hold this year?
You lost the primary. All you’re bitching about is losing.
I’ve heard the same shit for years.
I’ll hear it in 4 more years when instead of actually giving us healthcare we are sending billions for Israel to kill Palestinian children and that generic republican president will make a full dictatorship day 1 and the whole country is doomed and blah blah blah.
Get a new script
I’ve heard the same shit for years.
Specifically every election year since 1992 if not longer
I’ll hear it in 4 more years
The good news is you won’t.
The bad news is that you won’t because the DNC will have finally pissed away democracy with their insistence that every election is 1992 and their preferred candidates are all Bill Clinton.
Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative.
Yes, the emperor has the finest clothes.
Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump
Want a list of names to dismiss?
lol, wtf are you even talking about?
Neither is calling the president an ineloquent loser without having an alternative. So stop acting like complaining is the answer.
Complaining is the answer. Biden shouldn’t have ran in the first place, his Cabinet should have threatened to 25th Amendment him if he decided to run again. He’s going through dementia. And most importantly he’s loosing in the polls especially so in 6 out of the 7 swing states. And voters considering Biden state that his age and competence is their #1 reservation keeping them from voting for him. RFK has nearly 10% in some places a couple of percentage points from himeams that he’ll beat Trump amd what he needs to do is adress his obvious shortcomings.
But unless rank and file Democrats complain, nothing will change. They didn’t complain enough before the faux-primary and now they need to complain even more now.
You want to replace Biden? Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump or realize that Biden is the best we’re gonna get before November and deal with it.
Harris, Butttiget, Booker, Whitmer and one other person whose name I can’t recall at this time were polling withing 2 points of Biden’s clip last week. According to this poll Harris polling ahead of Biden and beating Trump nationally in polling. While I’m not sold on a Harris Presidency because of her very poor record; I think she’s in the best position to take over.
Nah I’m going to go ahead and keep up the bitching and moaning because it is the only halfway decent chance I have at getting a president who actually cares about the things I do
calling the president […] ineloquent
He obviously demonstrably is
without having an alternative
Are you calling Joe “there’s 50 other Democrats who could beat Trump” Biden a liar? You gotta be, since you’re denying that he’s ineloquent.
stop acting like complaining is the answer.
I must have missed that part of the first amendment. Is it next to the part about a constitutional right to redress of grievances?
You want to replace Biden?
Yes, please.
Come up with a viable candidate that can beat Trump
Not our job. I bet you’re one of those people who tell anyone who doesn’t like your favorite music act to “make a better album yourself or shut up”.
You think that’s a good point, but it’s not. In fact, it’s every bit as asinine as any argument for voting for the Mango Mussolini.
Biden is the best we’re gonna get
Since the US democracy isn’t very good at listening to the people in general rather than only those with the most money and power, you’re probably right for the first time in your impassioned defense of settling for awful.
enough with the bitching and moaning.
You say at the end of a rant bitching and moaning about people rightly being wary of having to choose between having a severely impaired president or not having a democracy at all.
Be better. Demand more of the people who are supposed to represent your interests.
Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired”. And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.
Tripping over a few words during the debate isn’t “severely impaired
And also NOWHERE near the extent of it. Did you even watch the clip before declaring your disappointment in the guy trying to warn you that there’s trouble ahead?
And if you have to lie to make your point, you don’t have much of a point.
More inane projection 🙄
I watched the whole debate. And declaring “nuh-uh!” isn’t a counter argument, it’s copium.
I watched the whole debate
Congratulations on your bias shielding you from fully comprehending the extent of his sundowning, I guess?
I didn’t mean only the debate, though. There’s been a LOT of “what is the most powerful human in the world trying to say??” moments both before and after that specific debacle.
declaring “nuh-uh!” isn’t a counter argument
Lucky for me that there wasn’t an argument to counter, then, just you screeching “YOU LIE!” a propos of nothing.
it’s copium
Again with the projection lol
Shanie MyrsTearYou watched the whole debate and your internal alarm wasn't BLARING @EleventhHour?
Are you that disillusioned or dulled from politics that whatever *that* was on stage was okay and acceptable to you?
I will vote for Biden because I don't want to vote for literally Hitler but holy shit.
WE BEAT MEDICARE.
There are many alternatives. He is ineloquent. I don’t want to deal with a confused old man at death’s door signing up for four more years. He should be replaced.
Viable candidate? Dude, I could personally beat Donald Trump with the dem nomination, and im nobody. Trying to keep biden in is literally just trying to get trump elected. Hes the only person who could lose, because he might die before the vote.
Viable candidate? Dude, I could personally beat Donald Trump with the dem nomination, and im nobody
That strategy worked so well for the DNC in 2016, didn’t it?
Care to elaborate? Last I checked, HRC was hardly nobody.
xerazalHRC is a nobody now? Tf are you smoking cuz I need that good shit.
maegul (he/they)Stewart offered what seemed to me a thoughtful path forward: Be the party of democracy and transparency, listen to voters, and run a convention to pick the candidate …
… and, you know, maybe don’t be strangely authoritarian about who gets to be the candidate while claiming you’re also the only part that can “save democracy”.
Very authoritarian. Like how Dems are saying the press owes Karine Jean-Pierre an apology for “offending” her over asking about the Parkinson’s specialist and not letting up on her non answers. WH Press Secretary is a paid propagandist position! You’re paid to lie.
Guy IngonitoThe path forward Biden is offering:
Get a orange spray tan.
Start talking about how unfair the media is to him.
Attack members of his own party who dare to question him.
Things that make you go hmm… 🤔
In the George Stephanopoulos interview he looked pretty orange. And he’s been talking a lot like trump lately.
harkBiden is already shitting the bed, perhaps even literally as well figuratively.
I feel like Stewart was directly voicing the concerns I’ve had over Biden for basically his entire term. He just doesn’t seem to get it that the fascists are playing for keeps.
ClinicallydepressedpoochieTo be fair, the fascists make it very hard to take them seriously. I can see why an elderly lifelong politician doesn’t understand the threat.
I also like that he’s grounded in his suggestion of opening up the conversation, rather than immediately calling for Biden to step down. The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate. There needs to be an informed plan for an alternate. Calling for Biden to withdraw with a four month runway, without a more popular and independently funded candidate is reactionary and reckless.
The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate.
They should’ve done that after he got elected! Ppl campaign for president 2 years before the actually election. How is everyone thinking 4 months is enough?!
Honestly a short campaign could be beneficial, more enthusiasm less apathy and sick of them. Campaigns should be 4 months or less.
I agree that four months is insufficient time to prepare and execute a campaign. They had no reason to poll test earlier, since Biden won the 2024 primary.
Stewart is basically calling for a primary, which we already had, nobody significant seemed interested in running. I voted in the primary, there was more than one person to vote for, Biden even lost his primary in American Samoa. To say there was “no primary” is a lie, and suggesting a party swap out a candidate who already won a primary, and by doing so throw out the votes of millions of Americans who participated in that primary process, is anti-democatic. Do you want people to switch parties and vote in the republican primary? Because that’s how you do it. Did the DNC learn nothing from getting caught trying to crush Bernie’s primary chances? You lose voters you disenfranchise, period. I don’t care how good the DNC’s policies are, if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?
if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?
Exactly. When one primary candidate won in 2016, the party nominated the other candidate. Your primary vote doesn’t matter. Then, the SCOTUS agreed with you, stating that if one don’t like how private organizations run their primaries then they shouldn’t participate in them.
Why would you ever vote in the primary again?
Are you talking about Bernie? He literally got less primary votes, thats why he lost, period. I agree the DNC tried to fuck him over, but at the end of the day he got less votes and that’s all there is to it. They implemented a number of reforms after Wikileaks exposed their corrupt practices.
Funny how the SCOTUS decision states the opposite was proven to the court, then only goes on to state why it doesn’t matter.
Source and quote?
nullThe SCOTUS stated that Bernie got more votes?
Bernie got fewer votes, but it was the result of blatant cheating. So its much more correct to say he was the rightful winner of it, especially considering that he would have beaten trump (according to polls). So he was a better representation of both the will of the people had there not been meddling, and the greater good for the left.
DNC knew this too. They knew Bernie was polling better. The DNC said we don’t care about what our voters want, we know better, and if you don’t pledge to our candidate then we’ll convince our cult members that you’re a Trump supporter.
It must be noted that the same people who told me that Bernie was too old in 2016 are now telling me that Biden is fine.
Also, that’s not even the thing that’s most concerning. The thing that’s most concerning is that Biden doesn’t appear to understand that if he loses, we probably also lose democracy. But that’s ok because he’ll have tried his goodest.
I dunno man. That sounds a hell of a lot like malarkey to me.
Lol, you saying Biden will have tried his goodest here cracks me up. Only the Lord Almighty can save us from Biden.
retrospectologyStewart is basically calling for a primary, which we already had, which was known for years ahead of time would happen, which literally anybody could run in, and yet nobody significant seemed interested in running.
…which was also canceled on many states. Biden was not elected, he is simply the incumbent. His candidacy does not reflect the will of the voters and you know it. The denial needs to stop.
Not with that attitude.
It has nothing to do with attitude. Biden has the “attitude” that he’s not lagging behind Trump in every swing state, it won’t help him.
I’m sorry but in what way does all this bitching in Lemmy comments make any positive difference? Vote for Biden or get the fascist, that is your only choice here. Am I happy about it? No, I didn’t even want Biden back in 16. But that’s how it is. That’s reality. Maybe you should accept that instead of expecting something to change in July. Unless of course you are trying to demotivate people from voting so we not only get Trump but everything down ballot goes to the fascists too.
MegaUltraChickenGenuine question: who specifically was prevented from running against Biden during the primaries this cycle? Which candidate reflects the will of the voters in your opinion?
knightly the SneptaurEveryone, and Bernie. If we’re going to have an ancient white guy running the country it might as well be the popular one.
Everyone, and Bernie
This is why I can’t take this shit seriously. It’s just nonsense completely detached from reality.
Says the person who keeps asking the same question over and over again as if the inability to read the answers given is some kind of “gotcha” that will magically make Biden popular.
Well, myself (and the other people asking this same question) don’t get an answer, and when we do it’s either false on it’s face or just more conjecture (which ALSO isn’t backed up).
Someone gave me an actual answer and we ended up having a nice conversation where I got some new information that softened my position a bit.
If you don’t want to have the discussion that’s fine. But you can’t claim that “everyone and Bernie” was prevented from running in the Democratic primary this election and act like I’m the one being obtuse. Apologies if I was being a dick, that was wrong of me.
I agree with most of the criticism of Biden, but all the misinformation being spread around to try and manipulate people into lessening support for Biden isnt helpful, doesn’t win the Democratic candidate any votes, and doesn’t take a single vote from Trump. He’s not going to step aside without a plan to beat Trump in November, and no one has one yet. There’s no serious person saying “I can beat Trump, give me the ball”. If/when that happens I will throw my full support behind them.
My view is that politicians are tools, they are not personalities. I just want the person who will most serve my interests to win. If I urgently need a hammer to nail something and the only tool available is a screwdriver, I’m going to bash that shit with a screwdriver until it gets the job done or a hammer becomes available.
To say there WAS a primary is a lie, the other credible candidates were forced out. Claiming that a coronation is a primary is how you lose voters.