jeffwTrump lied and Biden got tongue tied at the first debate. So why is the world only focusing on one?
MsPenguinetteBecause literally nobody is suprised by trump as this point. We all know what he is at this point. Biden popped the fascade that has been carefully crafted to keep us all thinking he was doing alright despite being old as fuck.
dadarobot100%. People want to act like it was a “bad debate performance” but it was absolutely eye opening to the american people. Its not about who won or lost a debate.
And it’s not like it’s the first of those incidents. He fell off his bike, tripped getting on air force one, had a bunch of press conferences where he did the trailing off in the middle of his answer thing, etc.
And this isn’t the only person democrats did this with either. They enabled Dianne Feinstein to run for reelection despite her being at deaths door, there’s the RBG debacle, etc.
Democrats need to get better at refreshing the old guard. The only one that did it kind of right is Nancy Pelosi: groom a successor and step aside when the time is right.
I love the argument about the bike, have you seen trump on a bike? There’s a 99% chance that you don’t ride a bike yourself.
BTW: he tripped, because he had to stop to talk with reporters and the predators had straps. It even happened to me and I’m much much younger than him.
Maybe there’s millions of qualified people other than Trump and Biden in the US? Why do Americans have to settle for just these 2? Why does Biden get to say he’s the only one that could beat Trump, if that’s objectively not true?
I can’t think of anyone else who could beat him. I really believed that Clinton could do it, and technically she did, but she didn’t beat him bad enough. A lot of people thought he was just playing himself up to win and wouldn’t be so bad once he got in (myself included). He showed them he wasn’t playing anything up and a vote against him got the largest turnout in history.
I really thought (and prayed, and begged the universe) that Sanders would get a shot.
Damn, what a mess. What a stressful, stressful, mess.
With a gay kid and a trans kid, I really do worry about their future. All we can do is ride the rock and hope for the best though. Well, that and vote against the dude who openly despises certain groups.
The salient point- Biden does things better DAILY than Trump did in 4 years and we’re still somehow focusing on stupid shit.
Democrats are so ego driven that they think death itself cannot claim them at a moment’s notice. I think this is part of the facade of the Democrats people are, unfortunately, going to respond to this election: Democrats, as a party, like to present themselves as being all about compromise and caring. Getting things done for the #AmericanPeople. But when it’s time to step down and let others shine in the limelight because you’ve had your time and the physical realities of age are something you have to acknowledge, or when there might be a better candidate for an election and you have to make the difficult choice of not getting what you want for the good of the country, that fucking sentiment disappears like a fart in the wind.
Well the facade was bound to pop eventually, it was just easy to keep when you have done 100 less press events than literally any president in the last 4 decades.
He’s been really really just hidden away and relying on good press to do all the talking for him and that’s now gone for sure.
TropicalDingdongBecause nothing about Trump has changed.
maegul (he/they)Yea. I’m not from the US (so an outsider’s and probably naive perspective) …
but the whole Biden thing seems off. Trump is a known quantity. The point of his running, at a basic level and besides vengeance, is to try the MAGA thing again without COVID “interfering”. Also, if you think back to the 2020 Dem primaries, where no one was really happy with any candidate and many were asking of the Dems “is that the best you’ve got” … a Trump sequel is kinda republicans forcing that question again.
As for all of the attention … well there’s a lot on the line here: Trump’s a known quantity … so, Dems, how you going to defeat him this time? Because … if you lose to Trump, twice, both times by standing by a party elder … that’s maybe “shame on you”. Moreover, we all knew Biden was old. A single term was sorta, kinda part of the deal because of that (remember, he wasn’t doing well in the primaries, he never has really). So, has a bargain been broken here? A gamble lost? A mistake, perhaps all the way back in 2020 but certainly behind the decision to run again, come to fruition?
Beyond all of that … I thought excessive media attention on Trump and the free publicity he gets was a bad thing (he’s probably jealous about Biden’s media attention lol)?
I agree, and all this happened when Epstein files were unsealed. Why there’s no talk about that?
I think Biden promising to increase taxes for the rich doesn’t bode well with the rich, because Biden might actually do it.
ÆnimaDing ding ding! Biden is a threat to the wealthy so the smear campaign is rich capitalists trying to replace Biden with someone they like more, or get tRump back in so they can get tax breaks. They care not for the dangers of fascism cause they’ll still make profit, but with fewer regulations and faster.
Also, probably many of those implicated in the Epstein files are extremely wealthy and don’t want that info taking center stage at anytime. The wealthy like to see those bank account zeroes increase! Soon as you threaten that, they try to jail, replace, or “remove” them using their near infinite means. The same ones named in those files likely also own local news groups and can influence local and/or regional news.
Bruh the man has over 7 million in real estate, and taken in over $4 million in cash just from Israel Source literally outranking a senator who is on trial currently for accepting literal gold bars and benzs, but you think he is not in their club, old Middle Class Joe is your contemporary and gonna lay down the law, and the shadowy “they” are trying to replace him after he’s been literally entrenched in politics for the last 51 years. If politics is so dangerous how has he survived so long, if not for being on the inside?
That’s still upper middle class lol.
How rich must you be to think 7 million in real estate and a salary of 5 million as president is just fucking middle class?
The lack of relatability to any of the standard working class anymore is exactly why the Democrats will lose and they will deserve it unlike the people who suffer.
Literally the senator of Delaware known as the corporate tax haven state.
Joe has basically never been middle class. It’s not like senators salaries have gone up a lot but we forget how much inflation has.
And it has nothing to do with one of the worst debate performances in history? Really?
People were already hesitant about Biden before this debate. His performance was a wake up call. And nothing that has been done since has made him look any better.
I’m a straight blue ticket voter. That debate solidified my support. Both are old as shit, but we are stuck with them because our voting system sucks. I’ll choose the non-rapist, non-felon.
I always focus on how I will view my choices 10+ years down the road. I always regretted voting for bush and McCain. Haven’t regretted voting blue since I pulled my head out of my ass.
It’s not the “straight blue ticket” voters we need to be worried about. I’d vote for a Biden with late stage dementia over any variation of Trump.
The worry is that people that don’t always vote, but showed up on 2020 are no longer going to show up because the Trump threat is a distant memory and Biden is such a weak candidate.
And while we all knew Biden was a weak candidate, the historically bad debate performance and everything that has come up since has only shown how truly weak Biden is.
To act like this is all a conspiracy pushed by the wealthy to avoid being taxed and not actual citizens that want a better chance at beating Trump is just silly.
he wasn’t doing well in the primaries, he never has really
Biden did quit well in the primaries. Also, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and the orange felon did bad on their first debates. In fact Obama did horrible. They all went on to win.
Biden has the keys to win this. Switching candidates now will throw the election away. Biden has surrounded himself with good people, he has wisdom and experience. He averted a recession and the economy is rebounding impressively. Why throw that all away?
Allan Lichtman, a historian who has successfully predicted the outcome of the last 10 presidential elections, dismissed the calls to boot Biden from the ballot, telling CNN’s Abby Phillip it would be a “huge mistake” to replace Biden on the ballot. , “Republicans have no principles. Democrats have no spine".
The story behind Professor Allan Lichtman’s methodology based on earth quake prediction absolutely is fascinating.
Should Biden Run??? | Lichtman Live #55
Biden did quit well in the primaries.
With a little help from strategically timed withdrawals and Jim Clyburn, sure.
Seriously people don’t want to talk about the split votes that collapsed in suddenly all at the same time for near unanimous backing. Or how most of the opponents got cabinet positions except for Elizabeth Warren who kept saying she was gonna be a VP pick for her dedication to the party and got thrown in the trash like other progressive politicians.
He barely won by a special circumstances but he is the best bet for not changing things for the rich and so they won’t possibly let him go without a desperate fight or letting fascists win first.
It actually did. It wasn’t just lies, but he is also losing plot about what he is talking about.
But yeah, I guess that’s not much difference in the greater scheme of things.
retrospectologyMore importantly, there’s nothing you can do to convince someone who’s dumb enough to vote for Trump, not to. This is why chasing “swing” voters is a really terrible strategy and always has been. There’s literally nothing Trump could say or do to alienate the voters he has now, no one is undecided on Trump.
What determines the outcome for Democrats is the same it’s ever been; turn out. It’s why Biden won in 2020, it’s why the GOP is constantly trying to sabotage and suppress voter registration. And it’s why it’s critical that Biden steps down, he simply cannot drive the needed turn out now and is unwilling to form a coalition with non-conservative democrats/independents.
WraithGearAnd “tongue tied” Is a straight up, fucking lie. It was surprising just how bad Biden was in that debate. You are right that trump seems to be consistently shity and incomprehensible.
Billionaires own all the news outlets
Yeah, this does feel a bit astroturfed, I think they don’t like his promises of increasing taxes on rich and strengthening protections for workers.
And exposure from the Epstein Files being unsealed.
Don’t forget thats how we got Joe in the first place, lost all the first dem primaries in 2020, while the media kept saying don’t count him out because reasons, while literally hiding wins by Bernie and other dems. I wonder where all these people come from that think a confirmed liar Source and has been in politics so long he supported and advocated for segregation Source that raised $127 million just last month Source is somehow being targeted by corporate interests and needs to be protected?
anticolonialistI thought Biden was sick, or was it tired? Now it’s tongue tied? The DNC is literally handing Trump the WH by refusing to acknowledge they are propping up a vegetable
While I could see the wisdom in not propping up a vegetable, I’m not sure acknowledging that they are propping up a vegetable is any more of a “winning strategy”.
They need to count their losses while they still have time.
TIL you can only be one at a time.
Not when the story keeps changing
Orrrrr yes tired and a cold, that’s not a ludicrous combination lol. And he’s always had a stutter, which yes can come out in many ways.
Listening to liberals still defending Biden is like listening to Republicans in their cult like worship for Trump
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Oh, you’re a contrarian who is only here for drama? Shocker 🥱
So dishonest lmao. Nobody thinks he’s a fucking banger of a candidate. Nobody is leaping for joy to vote for fucking Joe Biden. His faults are myriad and obvious. There is no worship. You have the choice between an actual despot and grampa Joe. That’s it.
They are both despots, those are your choices. I, and many others, refuse to participate in failed politics which only serve the wealthy
This is just reductive. Look at any of the policies from the D’s that benefit all of us, women, the poor. Waste your vote and enable fascism. Feel free.
Fascism has been here, you just prefer yours covert
And you would settle for Trump? How is that better? Our system has changed incrementally since its inception. I would vote for a socialist if they existed. The only party which remotely aligns with my ethics is the Democrats. What solution do you offer? Vote third party? Be a passive participant in project 2025 rather than an active voter for the significantly lesser of two evils?
You can take a respectable philosophical stance in a vacuum, but you’re not helping anyone in the real world. You’re a participant in creating harm, imo.
Im not settling for anyone, trump is absolute garbage, but while the DNC has you terrified of Trump they are upholding the same views and policies as republicans. Everything they do is to protect capital and most times at our expense.
Lesser evil is a myth liberals tell themselves to justify doing what they know is harm.
Just so you know, everything FDR passed in social and workers rights came from socialist Francis Perkins. And the reason we havent seen anything like it since is because democrats actively fight those efforts. Their role is not to defeat republicans but prevent leftist orgs and movements from gaining power.
Trump has me terrified of Trump, not the DNC.
Lesser evil is a myth liberals tell themselves to justify doing what they know is harm.
I think it’s far more varied than that. There are some “true” leftists in the Democratic party. I would much prefer ranked choice voting, proportional representation, etc. to represent all views. Moreover, the “lesser evil” is not merely an invention of the DNC – it’s what I view as objective reality. One side really does happen to be worse than the other. Either way we eat a shit sandwich, but one is gourmet shit and comes with the faint hope that one day I will be eating more palatable shit on perhaps higher quality bread.
Thanks for the tidbit on Perkins. Do you have more information on how dems are fighting against socialism actively? From what I can tell, they are frequently trying to package “socialist” policies in way the average red-scare American can swallow (re:obamacare, market controls, regulation, etc.).
At the end of the day, the choice is truly between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. There is zero (0.00%) room for anything else in the year of 2024. Short of a revolution, incremental change is what we are working with, and I will go to the polls to vote blue whether I have a grin or grimace on my face.
Announcing that you beat Medicare isn’t a cold symptom.
“Don’t you think he looks tired” isn’t a great talking point in favor of your candidate.
Because everyone knows that Trump is garbage and republicans are complicit. We’re hoping Democrats will challenge Biden
John RichardDemocrats tell us democracy is on the line and many people including myself believe it, but then they push a weak candidate likely to lose merely because his team has lined their pockets with corporate donations and pledged allegiance to Israel. Democrats need to decide if democracy is on the line, or if they lie to their voters and don’t care if Trump wins.
Or, billionaires own media and using them to shape public opinion so they can get more corporate friendly candidate.
Biden was perceived as corporate friendly in 2020, but he delivered more worker friendly policies and also is promising to increase taxes on rich
This isn’t about getting a more corporate-friendly candidate. It is about beating Trump, plain & simple. Biden’s abysmal debate performance wasn’t CNN drugging him to instill a new corporate shill for the Democrat-party. The Democrat party is capable of pushing corporate shills themselves already, as they did in 2016.
Maybe not, but capitalism and fascism want the same things. They don’t care about Biden’s age, just their wealth and not supporting anyone who threatens that. That’s why all the narrative around Biden’s age is all we get out of that debate. The wealthy own all means of communication.
There’s a reason the saying, “the revolution will not be televised,” is relevant. I think you may be missing the plot a little as no one thinks CNN drugged or did anything else to Biden. But the media can make it so the national attention is on Biden. They want him replaced or they want tRump to win.
They’re playing chess while a majority of Americans are fighting about who gets the white pieces and who gets the red ones [cause they’re playing checkers]!
Biden deserves this loss, he literally said only God would take him out this race, but you know democracy is threatened! So lets run the shittiest candidate possible, and its extra infuriating because Biden/Harris is literally the most unlikeable ticket possible. Harris is even more unlikeable, Ive had numerous people ask me why an Indian girl raised in India and Canda whose crown achievement is locking up marijuana users is doing a BET advert talking about shes out in these streets. It feels like beyond pandering.
FYI not people are aware that CNN changed owner in 2022 to MAGA friendly one.
Biden supporters in 2024 are sounding a lot like Trump supporters in 2016 by calling all the media outlets fake news now.
[Donald Trump] May Not Be Good for America, but [He’s] Damn Good for CBS”
-CBS CEO Les Moonves, 2/29/16
And nothing has changed since.
The billionaire owners of the media have a vested interest in Trump’s agenda.
Biden administration tax policy proposals have the billionaires pissed off.
Vested interest in any government that doesn’t threaten their wealth. Capitalists always thrive in fascism.
pjwestinI’m so tired of pundits pretending the media is being unfair to Biden. He literally said he was the first black woman to be vice president today, and most outlets chose not to cover it. The media has been going exceptionally easy on Biden, which is why so many Americans were shocked to hear how incoherent and rambling he’d become, even compared to Trump. The media isn’t covering this because they suddenly want to destroy Biden; they’re covering it because the floodgates have opened and they have no choice but to acknowledge it.
Joe Biden accidentally says he is the 'first Black woman' to serve in White House – audio
That video was stupid. Confused himself with the VP or just misspoke? Silly.
Yeah, and if he wasn’t on a press blitz because he went on TV and looked like a confused grandpa during a national debate, it’d be a silly flub, not another example of his c cognitive decline.