@q66 > I would avoid having a foundation on Alpine or Chimera since it would be too dense and complicated to deal with
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@pj @q66 I think that 4chan crowd misunderstand Alpine’s reasoning for avoiding GNU software in the base system.
the reason this is important is because they view that decision as ideological, while the real rationale for it was more focused on software quality and reliability, as alpine was originally targeted mostly at IoT sector.
@ariadne @pj for chimera the primary reason is being able to compile the core userland with the strongest compiler hardening we have (which makes coreutils, bash, etc fall apart), besides having a userland that is capable enough for users while being lean enough for constrained envs (initramfs etc)
i try to do what i can to turn away ideologically driven crowd because they are annoying and don't think beyond their one "goal" which either kills projects or makes them insufferable to be in
@q66 *sigh*
echo 127.0.0.1 reddit.com old.reddit.com > /etc/hosts # -.-
@q66 as a potential hot take, nano with the base system is at least better than vi
not sure why they think they can't just remove nano though
@krum we have vi as well as nano in most "full" setups (vi is a part of chimerautils-extra, nano is pulled in through base-full)
you can't just "remove" nano because it's itself a dependency, but something like `apk add '!base-full-misc'` will remove it (along with some other packages which you can add back), the base metas are organized with soft dependencies intentionally
@q66 of course, i probably should have elaborated a little bit, i tend to avoid metapackages for this exact reason on my systems, generally running void at the moment
i'd like to imagine this isn't too much of a stretch for a manually installed distro
@krum you are expected to always use the metapackages on chimera, it's deliberately set up flexibly so that users get a "complete" system by default but still get control when they want to avoid something (and it makes proper use of what apk has to offer)
installing individual things for "base" systems is just clunky (and somewhat fragile) and leads to people having to worry about things they shouldn't have to care about at all, so i ditched that kind of path early on
@flookerton the point is to provide a default that will satisfy the vast majority of users without having to tinker further, otherwise we get people who don't really know what they are doing coming in and trying strange things
the base-full package is intentionally set up in a modular way so that some (or even all) components can be omitted as needed, there are no hard deps so one gets all the control they want, it's just done in a way that you really have to declare that you want it that way
@flookerton i'm aware that the documentation for it is not the best right now but that's what you can expect from a distro in this stage of development
also the reason your posts are getting hidden is that a lot of instances mute mastodon.social (including mine) due to influx of spam accounts from there
you'll encounter the same thing with many others so i suggest finding a better instance
@q66 All extremes scare me, like suckless-philosophy or gnu-addiction. But I find it rational to replace nano with micro because of the support of familiar keybindings, as well as simplicity and easy-to-use
P.s. I'm not developer, just yet another Linux user
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