jeffwLGBTQ+ orgs blast Joe Biden's "cowardly" statement opposing surgeries for trans youth
FrokkeOn one hand arguing that a 15 yo isn’t old enough to realise the consequences of spreading AI nudes of a real girl.
On the other hand arguing that 15 yo’s are totes old and responsible enough to undergo life changing surgery/procedures.
gedaliyahWhat are you talking about? Teens undergo life changing surgery all the time, whether it is for a sports injury, to correct scoliosis, oral surgery, etc.
True. And how do those differ from trans care?
knightly the SneptaurThey have higher regret rates than trans care?
No sweetie, those can be diagnosed through imaging and completed without the patient saying one word.
Trans care is a dialog.
Nice try, better luck next time?
Ah, yes. Because doing surgeries “without the patient saying one word” to consent to them is great for regret rates. XD
I guess you missed the important part. And focussed only on the irrelevant part. Didn’t expect anything else tbh.
You’re stretching even further now. Most medical care is based on a patient telling a doctor what is bothering them. There’s allergies, soft tissue injuries, psychological needs, sleep disorders, digestive problems, eating disorders,learning disabilities, etc. etc. etc.
Teens shouldn’t be allowed treatment for any of those? Or will you keep drawing more and more granular distinctions to fit your conclusion?
Let’s just take an example that fits your definition: bariatric surgery is 1) surgical 2) not determined by imaging 3) undergone only in consultation with the patient 4) undergone only alongside psychological and lifestyle support 5) related to future health outcomes 6) related to the patient’s body image 7) sometimes appropriate in teens/adolescents 8) requires lifelong lifestyle changes 9) not related to an accute injury or illness 10) it is not an urgent lifesaving procedure
It is in every way exactly like gender affirming care except not being related to gender.
So surely you would argue that bariatric surgery should be banned for teens, based on your position. Their brains are still developing so they cannot possibly make such a decision that will impact the rest of their lives. If they still feel like they need it when they are adults, then they can do it then.
Right?
Funny how you assume I want to ban it. Seems like a common trend. In which you are identical to the frequenters of r/the_donald. If I don’t flatout agree with you, I must heavily oppose you.
Didn’t you get the “trans care is a dialog” part? I mean I would love to see your reasoning in how that can be viewed as wanting to ban it. I always love a good show of mental gymnastics.
Perhaps some more context is required.
It is something I often do, to gauge the mindset of a community. Its openness, how prone they are to being offended, hostility, etc.
Posting something similar, adapted to the issues of the_donald for instance, yielded eerily similar results. Accusations, open hostility, bans, etc. Same for some lgb subs.
The open and accepting trans and lgb communities I’ve posted similar comments were met with understanding, a willingness to educate. They would’ve responded by pointing out that the 2 statements are not equal, cannot be compared. The 15yo sharing the nudes hasn’t spent years talking to professionals about it. While the 15yo contemplating transitioning most probably has, therefore is much more informed and quite possibly can make that decision.
One of the things we try to teach our youngsters is that while you might’ve had bad experiences in the past, it does not mean every new person you meet will hurt you. Something most people tend to forget.
You have not been banned for your opinions, but for your conduct. Saying deliberately shocking or offensive things to “gauge the mindset of a community” is trolling, and is not allowed here. I hope that after taking a short break from the community you can return to engage more authentically. Please feel free to PM myself or another mod if you have any questions in the meantime.
I gotta say, bariatric surgery sounds pretty bad after googleing it. Its no where near like trans surgery. Though, I personally think both should be banned for minors. I am of the mind that such life altering changes should only be made once someone is of a certian age to be fully responsible.
I do not have faith in teenagers or even young adults to know how to best handle their life when they are so young. Im in my thirties and i barely believe i make the best decision for my own life.
My concern are for the ones who will ultimately regret having made the decision to transition. There just should be a limit to any body modification for minors.
Here is where we differ: I believe that the very smart people who go to school to study these exact issues for many years, practice for decades, review one another’s work, and spend a lifetime studying the outcomes of the surgeries are in the best place to decide what should and shouldn’t be allowed.
If an individual, their family, and an entire team of doctors determine that something is safe and advisable, I trust that decision much more than my uneducated feelings.
Yeah i agree, im not whole sale against it. But you talk of these highly educated people making these decisions. What about all the morally corrupt parts of life where this can, and i bet is, being abused for nefarious reason.
I just think all major decisions like these should only be made once someone is of age. That way if they were wrong it couldn’t be held against anyone in a future lawsuit.
When a decision is made to perform surgery on a minor, it is always because doctors have determined that it is more dangerous to wait.
I’m not even going to address the completely unfounded claim of some nefarious cabal of doctors.
Hah oh i didnt say a cabal of nefarious doctors. What do you think of people who later regret going through surgery?
I just think body modifications should wait till someone is of age, just like tattoos.
You assume everything is done with the best of intentions. You’re either a kid or just ignorant of how fucked up life is. This is why we also should allow marriage until someone is of age.
Medical treatment is provided on a basis of best practices established by an entire healthcare community including medical practitioners, clinicians, researchers, and institutions. Studies rely on statistical risk models. That’s why before you go through any medical treatment, a doctor will tell you that no treatment is without risk.
As a result, every treatment includes a percentage of recipients who experience regret. Gender affirmation surgeries have an exceptionally low regret rate.
Compared to, say, pain medication, there is not really a profit motive for doctors to over-prescribe or over-treat gender affirmation treatments.
The suggestion that a minor should not go through any medically necessary “body modification” procedure, is cruel and untenable. That would mean:
- Sexually active teens be categorically denied birth control
- Dangerously overweight teens be denied surgeries or other treatment that could add years or decades to their life, as well as prevent knee, hip, and back problems in adulthood (that having the surgery later would not repair)
- Student athletes be denied surgical joint repairs that could restore movement and prevent future injury (that could not be performed with the same success rate in adulthood)
- Children with congenital heart problems be denied care which could both add years to their life and improve the quality of their childhood
- Children who could benefit from ear tubes be forced to face risk of incurable hearing loss -Children who could benefit from cochlear implants be denied the possibility of hearing until they are 18
- Children with juvenile glaucoma be forced to go through childhood with partial blindness, which may become irreversible
- Children at risk of lifelong trauma or suicide due to gender dysphoria be denied gender affirming care that can add decades to their life and improve the quality of their childhood
Please stop with the dismissive name-calling and try to think these things through more completely. In all of these cases, medical providers work with a family to assess the risks and needs of a child, make recommendations, and carry out the treatment most likely to have the greatest positive medical impact. The suggestion that anyone outside a child, their family, and their medical providers should have a say in the decision strikes me as arrogant, cruel, and offensive.
Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence
Supplemental Digital Content is available in the text.There is an unknown percentage of transgender and gender non-confirming individuals who undergo gender-affirmation surgeries (GAS) that experiences regret. Regret could lead to physical and mental ...
This is EXACTLY how it goes! A teen walks into a Doctor’s office and says “I’M TRANS!” and the Doctor gets their Scissor and cuts off their Penis without ANY TESTING or THERAPY or TRANSITIONAL PERIODS whatsoever!