NegativeNullWho would win?
Flying SquidThe Borg cube would find the inherent flaw in the Death Star and exploit it. Borg cubes can’t be destroyed easily just through weapons fire because they’re self-repairing and have adaptive shielding.
I guess even if the Death Star were able to destroy a single Borg Cube, that would be it at most.
I would say so. Also, Borg Cubes are decentralized, which makes them harder to cripple, let alone destroy.
BearOfaTimeWell, the Death Star can destroy a planet, so I’m thinking they could take out a single cube.
Imagine the energy required to destroy a planet…
But if there’s more than one cube, I’m guessing they’re fucked.
But what happens if Vader were assimilated?
I guess that depends on whether or not force powers work a long time from now in a galaxy right, right here.
OpenStarsYeah, they used to say that about queer people too.
Dark side pride!
Dare to be different, I guess:-D.
macnielAFAIR the force only works in that galaxy, rendering Force Users incapable of their super natural powers outside or heck even influence those that come without meaty chlorians midichlorians (Vuuzhan Vong).
Didn’t Ahsoka show that they worked in that other galaxy they went to? It was not an especially good show IMO so I didn’t exactly commit it to memory.
We haven’t seen the Borg using generic engineering AFAICR, but it seems like something they would do. Assuming midichlorians are canon, I think the Borg could discover and replicate them. Surely one of the species they assimilated had bioengineering mastered.
that was basically the plot of Star Wars: The Bad Batch.
The best geneticists in the universe (the same who make the clones) couldn’t, but they were getting close, in theory. Could the borg? Maybe. Eventually.
Definitely a two parter.
We haven’t seen the Borg using generic engineering AFAICR
spoilerThey did in Picard Season 3 (which retroactively told us they were doing it as far back as Best of Both Worlds)
Oh right. I totally blocked that out.
generic engineering
Oh, never stop working badly, autoincorrect! 🤣
What fun.
The death star shoots a beam so if the Borg cube was insulated well enough they could just let the death star drill a hole through it.
The planet killer shot is bigger than a Borg cube. In a DVD scene where the Death Star fills the entire screen, a Borg cube would be 1 pixel.
Yeah I suppose I didn’t really think of that. I always forget how big the death star was meant to be.
IninewCrowSo all the Borg needs is a superstar flyboy hero type in a little one manned spacecraft with a little energetic torpedo to fly an impossible space battle against thousands of TIE fighters, fire his way to the Death Stars surface, fire his torpedo in an exact location and blow up the entire thing on his own.
If you go by the screenshots of the movie when it shot Alderaan, the laser blast would envelope the entire cube.
SmuuthbraneWE WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL UNIQUENESS TO OUR… WAIT, YOU’RE ALL IDENTICAL? WTAF??
Sigh — please kill me…
Actually, at that point in the empire, 0BBY stormtroopers were no longer clones
clones were outlawed and the Kamino cloning facilities were destroyed in the Kamino uprising. But, that didn’t stop one certain individual having his own dozens or so clones (based on EU content, not Disney Sequels)
Even in the sequels it seems Papa Palpatine did lots of self cloning
yeah sure, but I’m referring to the Dark Empire :)
I heard an answer to this on a podcast once,
The deathstar could easily one shot a cube, but they would never be able to do it again, because the borg adapt
AFaithfulNihilistIf the cube is wiped in a single shot, there might not be enough borg left with enough data to adapt. They aren’t adapting magically, they are able to analyze the shot and adjust their shields to block shots.
Ill bet, of they could sneak up on some cubes they could pop a few before the Borg really got wise.
Fair point, either way the borg always win in the end
I imagine the first cube would get some drones on the Death Star before being destroyed. It would take some time to assimilate the whole thing, so the Death Star might be able to take a few more cubes before being too far gone, but my guess is the first (or maybe second if the Death Star was lucky) cube would be the end of it.
Assuming the death star started firing as soon as they encountered each other it still takes about 14 seconds to fire. You can get a lot of data in that time.
You could also beam over a lot ( though you really only need one) of Borg in that time.
It also depends on the parameters of the shot. DS2 was shooting at partial charge to take out ships so there’s less recharge time between shots. If the DS commander did the same to the Borg, they might blow a hole in the Cube without destroying it, and the Borg don’t give a fuck.
They beam in some drones and it’s over.
edgemaster72Are we just not going to talk about the fact that the cube is made of Lego?
Lego bricks! It’s Lego bricks, you scuff looking nerf herder!
Thank you for your helpful comment, I’ve updated my original comment to be even more scruffy
Haha. Well played my good sir
spittingimageWE NEVER TALK ABOUT THAT. 😣
Well the borg know some of the most deadly items in existence are legos so obviously they’ll add that weapon to their arsenal.
rovingnothing29Just like first contact. The cube gets one shot, but it only takes one Borg landing on the death star for the station to slowly fall.
Death Star might win the battle, but the Borg win the war
Simple. The cube gets one shotted. The Borg Collective, which is linked across subspace, will notice a Cube suddenly going dark. They will send two spheres. The first gets one shotted, as the Death Star is simply too powerful to block its main weapon. The second sphere beams over drones. The Death Star is assimilated. Resistance is futile.
MeatPilotThey are in space and the cube can approach from the opposite side of the main weapon. The death star would take a long time to rotate the main weapon at the cube and it can keep moving out of the way.
Cube wins.
The first cube is obviously dead. But the Borg will send a decent amount of cubes next time, and even if the shields on the death star can block beaming will have them down and drones on board before every cube is gone.
After that the Borg have a super sphere.
I don’t think even Borg shields can adapt to the main weapon on the Death Star. But as you said, they don’t really need to. Send multiple cubes. They don’t even need to beam over. Borg do fine in vacuum, just throw a bunch of drones at the Death Star, they’ll eventually find their way inside.
Yep, the raw power of the death star overcomes shields. But the Borg don’t care about loosing multiple ships if the prize is worthwhile.
Thinking about it how quickly can the death star even recharge and fire again after the first shot? If it’s not quick then the Borg might only need to sacrifice one cube and a few thousand drones.
Who ever lands the first shot. I never believed that adaptable Borg shields couldn’t be overwhelmed with enough energy. They just need a big enough wack every time. Eventually, the Borg ship’s energy will be depleted.
The Death Star has enough energy to vaporize an entire planet. The only action the Borg has would be to overwhelm the firing rate and land drones to take it over.
Considering since Rouge One, we know the Death Star can fire lower energy blasts, presumably at a higher rate, who knows what rate the DS can take out Borg ship’s.
The problem is the death star is designed to target planets which can’t really dodge out of the way. I imagine aiming the death star takes time and a Borg cube could probably just keep moving and it wouldn’t be able to target it.
Which Death Star? Death Star II was shooting down rebel craft pretty quickly. We don’t know if Death Star I couldn’t.
Depends how fast the Death Star can traverse. It’s built for attacking stationary targets.
Planets move at like 100,000km/h so maybe not so stationary targets.
DonebrachEverything is stationary when velocity is matched. The main issue is a Cube can change its velocity whereas a planet cannot.
Alright but the Deathstar is still an interplanetary craft that catches up to a planet.
Easy to do when trajectory is consistent, we do it all the time.
But yeah, ostensibly the Death Star has a hyperdrive which means it can move very fast (seemingly faster than any warp or trans warp drive). But it’s never really touched on how discreetly that enables it to move. (Based on it seeming to need orbital mechanics at sub-light speed to target the rebel base in Star Wars) I’m guessing a cube would out match it in a dog fight (stupidest dog fight ever). Now Death Star II seemed a little more quick with its super laser in Return of the Jedi (targeting rebel capital ships with ease) so that’s also something to consider.
But I bet your bottom dollar the Borg can get through whatever shielding technology the empire has since physical ships can traverse it without issue.
End of the day you got a huge ball filled with slightly more effective storm troopers that look gross.
Stationary relative to the station itself.
When it is in orbit around a planet, there’s little to no net speed differential.
My mistake I was unaware that they have to build a new deathstar for every planet.
Jojo, Lady of the WestIt can travel through hyperspace, so it can handle speed, it’s maneuverability that will cost it
Given that Storm Trooper rifles are the most basic-ass laser weapons imaginable and don’t even consistently kill a person wearing physical armour, let alone a shield, this battle is over basically the minute the Borg beam over to the Death Star. The cube will be destroyed by the main D.S. gun, but it takes so long to aim and charge that half the station would already be assimilated - or at very least full of laser-immune Borg.
Additional thought: 70%-ish of a Borg cube needs to be destroyed before its distributed system collapses. If the D.S. main gun is too powerful it may just shoot straight through and leave the Cube with enough intact to keep going at least one more shot.
The_LoraxThe 2nd death star shoots a cruiser out of the sky in ROTJ so they get at least 1 of the 20,000 borg cubes