schizoidman‘I am not made for war’: the men fleeing Ukraine to evade conscription
When the country is doing stupid shit like invading Iraq I’m opposed to the draft. When it’s defending against an existential threat which is on native soil, I don’t have as much sympathy for people avoiding the draft.
So when are you booking your flight to Kyiv?
Do you think there are situations where conscription is appropriate?
No. People should fight for what they believe in, not got someone else’s beliefs. If you can’t convince them then that’s your problem.
HumanPenguinNot disagreeing. More devils advocate.
But are you basically saying if your home is attacked by another nation. One much larger and using draft to fill the ranks of attackers.
You are happy to allow your leader to fail to convince people to save your and your family/childrens lives.
Because at the end of it. That is why many folks support draft for a nation under attack.
I personally always think it is best as a last resort. Trained full time pros are genrally better at the job. But in an attack like this the amount of work needed to build and manage defences needs a huge labour force. Even modern tech warfare needs huge labour.
It is the idea that everyone needs the actions of these people to survive. That makes the vast majority express views like Ops original comment.
If the cause is worth fighting for, the people will come to do it. If it’s not, they won’t.
Draft is not convincing people, it’s arresting them and forcing them to the frontlines at gunpoint if needs be.
It seems to me people have made up their minds and the leaders just said the answer is wrong. There are many reasons why one wouldn’t want to fight. On the basis of one’s spirituality, because the cause is not worth it, because the draft and/or country are sunk in deep corruption and not applied equally to all adult able bodied citizens or because, simply put, it’s not a home worth dying for.
If people don’t want to give their lives for it, then they shouldn’t be forced to just because their leaders really want to win. No country has the right to determine what their citizens would die for on behalf of them.
But are you basically saying if your home is attacked … You are happy to allow your leader to fail to convince people to save your and your family/childrens lives.
How can expect anyone to take you seriously with this stupid shit?
One much larger and using draft to fill the ranks of attackers.
So not Russia then. Because it only mobilized some of its reservists and did not send in concripts.