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girlfreddy Jun 28, 2024

Can Biden be replaced as Democrat nominee? Who could replace him?

https://lemmy.ca/post/24019849

Can Biden be replaced as Democrat nominee? Who could replace him? - Lemmy.ca

The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden. Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate. But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

girlfreddy Jun 28, 2024

I’d go for Bernie myself.

I mean just imagine that! In a year of some of the worst and craziest ‘first-time-evers’ Sanders could be the DNC’s candidate.

Flying Squid Jun 28, 2024

You’d go for someone older than Biden?

I like Bernie, but that’s a ridiculous replacement.

𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍 Jun 28, 2024

Once again, we agree.

Why always with the old white men, when we have prominent politicians like Yang, Buttigieg, Klobuchar? And as for Bernie, if you want a firebrand who’s going to alienate moderates, why not AOC? Well, she’s too young to run, but she’s not the only truly liberal option. Warren is old enough, progressive enough, and a woman. But, no, Bernie Bros gotta Bro.

Flying Squid Jun 28, 2024

I’m honestly trying to think of who they could run this late and I’m coming up short. Gavin Newsom is terrible idea in my opinion. Like you said, AOC is too young. Kamala Harris? People hate her.

𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍 Jun 28, 2024

Agreed, and agreed.

Why not Klobuchar? She’s got some national recognition from the 2019/20 cycle, politics are acceptable to moderates, progressive (enough), and she’d eat Trump for lunch in debates and on social media. Plus, she’s from the Midwest, and might pick up some folks for regional loyalty, and could play against the “slick New Yorker” which might still work.

The bases are going to vote party lines. I think undecideds and wavering moderates are the pick-up points, and I think Klobuchar could do that.

I like Yang’s politics, but he’s got a popularity problem, and Buttigieg - Trump would just harp on his sexual orientation, and I’m not confident enough that America’s ready yet to vote for a gay president. Hell, we can’t even get a woman into office.

IMO Klobuchar’s the safest bet against Trump.

Flying Squid Jun 28, 2024

Klobuchar is definitely a good idea. Although I’m not convinced that replacing Biden this late in the game is going to save the presidency either. I don’t know what should be done.

NobodyElse Jun 29, 2024

The only reason to vote for Biden at this point is anti-Trump and Blue No Matter Who. Those still apply to anyone else that the DNC puts forward, as a base score, with any actual merits, charisma, or vigor adding to that. This should have been an easy decision six months ago and doing-nothing-and-hoping-for-the-best doesn’t seem to be making the prospects any better.

Flying Squid Jun 29, 2024

anti-Trump sounds like a pretty damn good reason for me. Unless you think there’s a good reason to let a dictator win.

NobodyElse Jun 29, 2024

You clearly didn’t read what I wrote, but you sure took the time to start talking some more.

I read every word. I still maintain that “not dictator” is always a better vote than “dictator,” even if that is your only reason.

NobodyElse Jun 29, 2024

I said that the DNC should run someone who is more charismatic and younger so that they could more easily beat Trump. Where are you getting the dictator garbage?

Flying Squid Jun 29, 2024

Where are you getting the dictator garbage?

Seriously?

apnews.com/…/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian…

So, again, anti-Trump is a good enough reason to vote who whomever gets the nomination as far as I can tell. They could nominate clam and they’d get my vote.

Trump's vow to only be a dictator on his first day back in office

Donald Trump's assertion that he would only be a dictator on “day one” of a second term comes as he is facing growing scrutiny over his increasingly authoritarian and violent rhetoric. The consequences of that rhetoric were made clear following the deadly storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, and after he tried to remain in power despite losing his 2020 reelection bid. The former president is now vowing vengeance and retribution as he runs again. He is outlining a second-term agenda marked by an unprecedented expansion of executive power and interference in the justice system, along with a massive civil service purge.

AP News

NobodyElse Jun 29, 2024

That’s literally exactly what I said.

Geez, you make some good posts sometimes but interacting with you is a really horrible experience every time. So needlessly hostile.

Flying Squid Jun 29, 2024

I don’t think I was the hostile party here:

lemonmelon Jun 29, 2024

Then how does “needlessly argumentative” strike you? You misinterpreted the other poster’s point entirely, and then entered a cycle of doubling down without making any further effort to understand.

Flying Squid Jun 29, 2024

Maybe I misinterpreted their point, but I’m not sure why I should have been expected to make much more of an effort after that first reply. And then I get blamed for being hostile all the time by that same person?

lemonmelon Jun 29, 2024

My guess is that they’re conflating “stubbornly contradictory” with “hostile,” which isn’t accurate. Being labeled as or treated as hostile when you’re not is frustrating, and it leads to poor communication. That goes both ways, though, and I can see where you’d both be able to infer hostility that may or may not be intended by the other party.

Flying Squid Jun 29, 2024

I don’t disagree, but I should point out that the conversation between the two of us also ended last night, so I think we have both ceased to engage.

OfCourseNot Jun 29, 2024

I think what the other commenter meant was that for many people, like yourself, a D near the name is enough to vote for that person but the bar can be higher for other people. If the dems had put (might be time yet?) a not-absurdly-bad candidate, as they have now, they would've won easily. But seeing how it's going you guys are gonna enjoy four years (hopefully only four) of Trump as president, and the rest of the world will have to put up with all his crap as well.