Mastodawn

Olap Jun 23, 2024

It’s systemd+gnu+linux these days

raspberriesareyummy Jun 23, 2024

systemd

and a giant “fuck you” to Lennart Poettering for that. Not for creating an init system option - but for lobbying it into major distributions, instead of letting the users decide what they prefer. May he forever stub his toes on furniture.

jbk

It’s not just an init system. Look up what it does and why it exists, instead of blindly hating some software for some obsessive reason.

uis Jun 23, 2024

Systemd is also horrible project because it has sd-dbus - a dbus implementation, that requires systemd. And some projects(like Anbox) when migrating from abstraction layer to direct use of dbus accidentally choosen sd-dbus instead of dbus. And devs genuenly belive that sd-dbus is not systemd-specific.

raspberriesareyummy Jun 23, 2024

I’m not blindly hating. I despise the asshole responsible for the choice being taken away from me for many major distros and I wish him the plague for his manipulative approach in getting there.

The choice of making way more things than just the job of an init system harder than it has to be, especially when both flavors have to work. Feel free to call generous people who work for the community “assholes”, but it’s you who’s that, if anyone

raspberriesareyummy Jun 24, 2024

People who lobby with decision makers at major distributions for their software to be made the de-facto standard, instead of leaving it to the userbase, have a deeply anti-democratic mindset, and that makes them assholes.

And what concerns did/do you exactly have? Did you as a “democratic” user make yourself loud instead of crying about “corruption” on lemmy?

I didn’t know much about Linux when Systemd was adopted by Debian. And how would I make myself loud enough for people to notice? I still don’t have the technical knowledge to completely grasp the operating reasons why people chose it, all I know is that systemd was meant to be an init system, and now it is no longer just an init system. It’s in things it shouldn’t be in. I’m sure people worked hard on it but one program edging out general alternatives shouldn’t have been the way of development

You don’t know the details of why it was chosen, yet you complain about people with obviously more knowledge on these topics having chosen it… reminds me of science deniers.

All I’m saying is that it shouldn’t have gone beyond being an init system. Is it so hard to understand that one might want one application to do one thing and do it well?

And what knowledge makes that opinion have any factual value?

Your opinion is that systemd is objectively better being more than an init system?

I prefer my software to work as single units which can communicate using standard, agnostic technologies to one another, not be a gigantic binary blob which is too hard for even some of the most brilliant people in the community to understand

It’s not even a single binary blob. Shows your competence around this topic. Feel free to continue rambling and whatever without knowing anything about it.

I’m pissed off because he didn’t limit it to just being an init and made it into a much bigger mess