ACAB. - Lemmy.World

Serious question: What’s the leftists position on police in the ideal but realistic socialist world? What would make ACAB irrelevant?

Socialism removes the fact that Police serve the wealthy, rather than the people, so this inherently means they aren’t class traitors.

There would be an expansion of social programs and services, better access to housing, and overall fewer crimes of desparation.

Socialism ends up causing all the problems you think it’s gonna solve. Name one time in history that it was successful.

What on Earth are you talking about? This is utterly vibes based.

Socialism factually does work this way.

In theory. Never works in practice.
China, Cuba, Vietnam…
Those are your success stories? Fucking laughable how stupid you are.

All of those examples were successful in comparison to what came before. The ROC had a life expectancy in the 30’s, and made no effort to address the basic needs of the vast majority of Chinese people. Cuba had a corrupt, authoritarian gangster state under Batista. Vietnam was suffering under brutal colonial rule. Under socialism, life expectancy, literacy, food security, and medical access rose dramatically and greatly improved the lives of the people living in these places.

So yes, they are success stories, they objectively solved many of the problems they were trying to solve and improved people’s lives across a wide number of metrics.

lol. Got live in China. Tell me how that works out for ya. So stupid.

The Western world got a headstart through centuries of colonialism and slavery, while China, Cuba, and Vietnam were all victims of that exploitation. Of course somewhere like Vietnam, that was subject to extreme exploitation and then bombed to smithereens with Agent Orange dropped everywhere is going to have some challenges developing, especially when they then face economic sanctions from powerful nations afterwards. Yet, as I said, all of those nations performed remarkably well despite that serious adversity. When the communists first came to power in China, life expectancy was about 35, while it was nearly double that in the US, now, their life expectancy has even exceeded ours.

Western nations remain wealthier due to continued exploitation of the third world, and I’m afraid I don’t have the means to immigrate. I am grateful for your highly intelligent and informed response to my points, though.

Go live there.
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