Serious question: What’s the leftists position on police in the ideal but realistic socialist world? What would make ACAB irrelevant?

Probably some combination of:

Require them to have a 4 year degree No qualified immunity Make them also liable to civil suits Heavily slash their budget Disarm all of them, save maybe for SWAT much, much better descalation training (pretty sure they’re trained to escalate immediately)

I disagree with points four and five. The rest seem accurate though. Alternatively, cut the budget to fund a seperate but collaborate group for mental health and/or non violent incedent responses. Have police provide backup but have clear rules of engagement, and procecute when the rules are violated.

Can you elaborate on what makes you disagree with those points? Just for clarity, were talking the defunding and the disarming?

Sure!

Disarming: Social studies have shown that it’s difficult to walk back changes to the social contract. We already have a society to reliant and accepting of guns to send police unarmed. Right now in the Cal Bay area you are very likely to be shot just for stopping someone who is stealing a catalytic converter. It makes no sense to have a deterent factor that can’t actually deter behavior. De-arming would need to be combined or following stricter gun laws and significant cultural shifts. That said, reviewing and revising the arming strategies is something that should occur. That is of course, unless you aren’t trying to prevent a potentially substantial rise is polics officer deaths.

Defunding: Removing funding without removing work load really just doesn’t work logistically. This has led to breakdowns in everything from the airline to the railroad industry. I’m sure there is a way to better allocate funding, but simply removing it is a problem. Alternatively, may us children had (or have) terrible times in the US school system. Should we defund it as a corrective measure? How does that help?

But I am curious, how do you believe these approaches would help the situation? How do you suggest they get implemented?

I think disarming/defending would be two sides of the same issue. I meant to add to the list for defending, splitting police’s workload with some other task force/committees like having dedicated traffic police that only deal with traffic issues/social workers for mental health crises, semi medical personnel (to help paramedics) for injured cases/domestic abuses. If force is necessary, there should be a highly trained specialized force they would call in.

Being a cop carries too many responsibilities, diverting some of those to dedicated teams/positions would create less scenarios where cops come and shoot your dog (or you) and create more jobs.