BonesOfTheMoonJun 17, 2024

ACAB.

https://lemmy.world/post/16634666

ACAB. - Lemmy.World

Show threadblackn1ghtJun 18, 2024
Serious question: What’s the leftists position on police in the ideal but realistic socialist world? What would make ACAB irrelevant?
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Jun 18, 2024

Socialism removes the fact that Police serve the wealthy, rather than the people, so this inherently means they aren’t class traitors.

There would be an expansion of social programs and services, better access to housing, and overall fewer crimes of desparation.

Show threadtimmymacJun 18, 2024
Socialism ends up causing all the problems you think it’s gonna solve. Name one time in history that it was successful.
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Jun 18, 2024

What on Earth are you talking about? This is utterly vibes based.

Socialism factually does work this way.

Show threadUnruffled [they/them]
I completely agree with you on ACAB in capitalist countries, for the same reasons you mentioned, but cops in “actually existing socialist” countries like Russian and China are no better. They still use authoritarian violence to oppress anyone who steps out of line with the will of the State. There are many, many historic and more contemporary examples of socialist countries using the [secret] police and/or troops to quell dissent from unions, anarchists, and other leftist groups, because anyone who protests the actions of the State, no matter how legitimately, is considered to be an enemy of the State, whether that State is capitalist or not.
Jun 18, 2024 at 5:54pmWeb
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Jun 18, 2024

Russia the Russian Federation, or Russia the USSR? Very different deal there.

Either way, I feel like this is vibes based analysis. Committing crime is illegal, yes. Even Anarchists like in Revolutionary Catalonia punished criminals, even putting them in labor camps. Would ACAB apply to Anarchists? No, I would argue not, just like I would say ACAB wouldn’t directly apply to a Socialist State.

The difference between Capitalism and Socialism is stark, a Socialist State is run by the Workers, rather than a Capitalist State run by the bourgeoisie. An analysis of Capitalism, it’s accumulation-based nature, and how this impacts the state, is necessary analysis.

Show threadCensoredJun 18, 2024
What do you think of Chekism?