schizoidmanPope repeats gay slur in closed-door meeting, ANSA reports
JesusSonLol, old man gonna old man I guess.
LinkOpensChest.wavIt’s a funny thing, though. My dad is an old man, and I’ve never heard him use a homophobic slur.
Tbh the word he used is not that bad, or at least is used in many contexts in informal conversation, but only in very few I would consider it a “slur”. I wouldn’t say it translates well to English.
The pope is a queerphobe though and he should perish
Pope dying unfortunately only means another one will come. I wish it was this easy…
It would still be funny if he got trapped in a burning popemobile and was unable to escape due to the bulletproof glass, and then the people who downplay his use of the slur got third degree burns over 60% of their body trying to save him :3
Dude I am from Rome, I want to see the Vatican in flames since way before people got upset from a very small thing among the many more serious reasons.
Few months ago when the Pope made timid openings to the LGBTQ community he was celebrated as a revolutionary. I am just saying, the word itself is not that bad and if this is the reason you feel such anger, and not the fact that the Church is an institution who did so many atrocious things (instituzionalized misogyny and homophobia among the many), then your judgment is just poor and you are getting angry for the wrong reason.
Yikes. Lecturing a gay person about how homophobia is not a big deal is not a good look.
And idgaf where you’re from, homophobe. You’re a gross and disgusting person.
So you have problems reading I guess. I am saying the slur is not the problem (because it’s not that bad in this instance), the institutionalized homophobia is one of the many systemic problems of the church that is not going anywhere even if you get a pope that speaks using pronouns.
So take a chill pill, being gay or even being right doesn’t give you the right to be a nasty person. Cheers
The slur is honophobic, and that’s a problem.
And I’m not the nasty person in this situation. You are, because you’re defending the use of a slur and lecturing a queer person how I should feel about it.
You are a disgusting person. No wonder you love defending homophobic “people” like the pope.
I hope you burn.
Unlike you (apparently) I speak the language, and my whole point is that it’s not really a “slur”. You can feel as you want about it, you can even feel attacked by someone wishing you good day, for all I care. It doesn’t change the fact that the word itself is not really that bad. It’s not comparable to " fag…" In English.
I see you are just a hateful person who is looking for reasons to feel prosecuted, at the cost of bending reality, so you can hate others. Suit yourself, I am sure your behavior will greatly help your community!
Fuck off with you’re straighsplaining and gaslighting. I have zero respect for anything that emits from your shitty straight centrist mouth. You’re nothing but a privileged queerphobe with a redditesque demeanor.
I don’t need you to tell me what isn’t and is a slur in Italian. It’s clear that you’re wrong. I know shitty English and Spanish speaking Straights too who downplay hateful behavior, and you’re exactly like them.
Burn.
“I don’t speak the language, you do, but I know better than you what is and is not a slur because every language has to work the same”. Frociaggine is hardly a slur, it’s a term that can be used in many contexts without any particular hateful undertone, although this applies to friendly contexts mostly. “frocio” is closer to a slur because it’s more personal, although in Italian is very common for slurs/bad words to be used in a completely different way too (see for example use of “stronzo”) or without the bad connotation. In Rome this phenomenon is particularly common.
You seem to have a colonialist mindset. Your culture/language apparently has to apply anywhere, no differences accepted.
Also, I am a radical leftist who is a full supporter of LGBTQ rights, and I fight the Church in Italy for decades. So you can put down your strawman.
Calling gaslighting telling you about a word that you don’t understand is the cherry on top :)
I’m not reading an essay from a straight person who sounds like a redditor
You are not reading at all, apparently. Shame, it’s useful sometimes. You should try.
Your opinion here is unimportant. You’re not in the community
So your opinion on the use of an Italian word is not important, as you are not in the community (Italian speakers). Sounds good to me.
(Obviously I consider your argument BS, but happy to apply it both ways).
Anyone can easily determine it’s a slur. Pretty fuckin easy to verify that I’m right and you’re wrong.
You can also verify that “mortacci tua” (literally: cursing your dead ancestors) is a slur/cuss, but in Rome it is used 80% as a friendly expression. Just to make an example.
Culture and language exist beyond your google searches…
SHitty people all call their friends queerphobic slurs in both English and Spanish, I’ve seen it.
It doesn’t excuse it, and it doesn’t make their language and behavior less queerphobic. In fact, the fact that they use it so casually is just more evidence of how deeply entrenched queerphobia is, and the fact that they’re willing to continue to normalize this in society with such callous disgregard for us LGBTQIA+ people does not reflect well on their character.
Sounds to me like you just surround yourself with 4chan tier people. Yikes.
Frociaggine is not a word that refers to a person. Frocio is, and I mentioned that while it is sometimes used without hatred, the latter is more generally a slur. Frociaggine/frociata is also very used to describe something flamboyant. It is a bit heavier than that, but definitely far from “fag…tness”.
I explained this already, but you didn’t want to read " the essay", so here I am repeating myself.
fact, the fact that they use it so casually is just more evidence of how deeply entrenched queerphobia
Or maybe it’s evidence that cultures and languages are differently and evolved differently, and not everything has to model to the English (American) version?
I already made an example for insults which are used completely in a friendly way, you can have other examples in religious people god-swearing (something that doesn’t even exist in most languages). The fact that while you don’t belong to the culture, do not speak the language but pretend to be authoritative about what the language is or should be is honestly hilarious. Now, is the pope queerphobic? Very likely, but because it’s the head of a queerphobic institution who has a queerphobic posture since ever, not because he used frociaggine.
Good, let me give back the favour with all the violence threats and wishes. At least you are the only one in bad faith :)
Anyway, here’s you straight up refusing to understand the concept of white privilege:
My genuine reaction to everything you’ve said:
Have an extremely shitty day, and let’s not talk again. I have even less respect for you now that when we’ve started – pretty impressive tbh since I started at zero so – achievement unlocked??, and you’ve confirmed all my suspicions about you by admitting that you think casual queerphobia is okay and that we queers are just “making a big deal out of nothing.”
I can’t block your ass because I’m a mod, but I won’t be responding in any meaningful way going forward.
Oh no, a comment in another context again interpreted from your US-centric view!
I mean, you think I care about your respect? A person who makes 0 effort in understanding other points of views (quite similar, ironically) and straight up insults and wishes death to others? Lol you are thinking way too much of yourself.
I also stand by every word of that comment, as the concept of white privilege doesn’t apply everywhere (Italy has a completely different history and racial dynamic compared to US).
Again, you have a colonialist mindset, and you are completely incapable of accepting that the US cultural lens is not the only lens that exists and that won’t apply to many. So tell whatever stories you want to yourself, shout as much as you can, but I am just explaining my views and providing cultural context (which has nothing to do with excusing or defending homophobia). You refuse to accept this context because you think that your perspective is universal. I will repeat it, colonialist mindset.