It'll end up as "Vote stupid parties, win stupid prices"

https://lemmy.world/post/16357149

It'll end up as "Vote stupid parties, win stupid prices" - Lemmy.World

Finally something can be done about the irresponsible immigration wave that has been going on for far too long.
People move yo. It’s what we’ve always done and will always continue to do. Wherever things are shit, people will move to places where they are better.

The problem arises when the people that moves here, that don’t like our culture, and wants to change it, but still moves because our country is more prosperous than theirs.

Lately my own country have gotten large violent musli mobs “protesting” by attacking innocent bystanders, as well as the pilice. Then we have Sweden which has had such a bad and violent crime wave, that they literally had to ask the military for help combatting it.

Why create unnecessary problems that could be avoided?

I can’t find any figures showing an actual crime wave in Sweden (excepting a sharp spike in 2020 followed by a significant decline in 202, but 2020 had other circumstances that contributes that ar distinctly different from immigration). What are you talking about? Right-wing parties always talk about how much worse the crime rates are due to immigrants, but data never seems to appear which supports this.

I can’t find any figures showing an actual crime wave in Sweden

Perhaps you didn’t search well enough: www.tv2.no/nyheter/…/16089740/

Right-wing parties always talk about how much worse the crime rates are due to immigrants, but data never seems to appear which supports this.

Data to support it: ssb.no/…/crime-among-immigrants-and-children-of-i…

Sverige: Forsvaret skal hjelpe politiet i gjengkrigen

Statsminister Ulf Kristersson vil at det svenske forsvaret skal få bistå med sin kompetanse i krigen mot bølgen med gjengvold som ryster landet.

TV 2

I can’t seem to access the first, so I will focus on the second.

1.) It is a study of Norway, not Sweden. 2.) The categories all kinda fluctuate, but the specific rates that are higher appear to be non-violent and the largest is increase is traffic violations. 3.) This does not show an increase in crime rates overall as a result of immigration. 4.) Immigrant communities tend to be overpoliced which may explain increases in non-violent crime rates amongst the immigrant population (see this link detailing how Norwegian police purposefully focused on immigrants over the native population as an example of over-policing: journals.sagepub.com/doi/…/1362480619873347).

I likely missed details in this report as I do not read or speak Norwegian, but if I missed something vital, feel free to highlight it.

1.) It is a study of Norway, not Sweden.

I didn’t know you referred to Sweden specifically (rather than Europe as a whole), but in I can tell you this much: Norway and Sweden is extremely similar culturally. Immigration patterns are also similar. I’m not Swedish so it’s generally a bit more difficult to find data about Sweden than Norway. But the data is likely to be fairly similar to Sweden.

And my original comments was based towards immigration towards Europe as a whole. Norway and Sweden are certainly both European countries.

3.) This does not show an increase in crime rates overall as a result of immigration.

It directly states that immigrants and children of non-Europeans immigrants are overrepresented by about 2,5x (fig 4.10).

journals.sagepub.com/doi/…/1362480619873347). Your link isn’t working. But it makes sense to put the police where the crime actually happens.

And I’m not even sure why I have to defend myself. Even if crime wasn’t a problem, we should be allowed to protect our culture. Not every country needs to be like USA.

1.) If you spend more time and resources looking for crime in one population than in another, then you are likely to find more crime in the scrutinized population.

2.) If it is about preserving a culture, there is no need to bring up crime rates.

1.) If you spend more time and resources looking for crime in one population than in another, then you are likely to find more crime in the scrutinized population.

I can literally walk around in the streets of our capital Oslo, and I get asked by a dealer (immigrant) if I want to buy weed (illegal in Norway). I’ve also had more than enough unpleasant encounters myself with people of muslim/african background, to make me believe the stats are legit.

Also, I may point to all the violent muslim mobs, referred to earlier. That stuff is scary, and not something ethnic/cultural Norwegians would do.

2.) If it is about preserving a culture, there is no need to bring up crime rates.

Crime is one of the problems though, even though it isn’t the only one. Which is why I don’t have nearly as much of a problem with immigrants from e.g. France or Germany.

Edit: forgot to also mention. We’ve had an explosion of gang-rapes towards underage girls (aged ~13-15) lately, done by immigrants of arab background. Makes me uncomfortable to even think about. Can dig up sources if necessary

Prove that the incidence of these are higher among immigrants than your citizens. Republicans in the US love to talk about illegal immigrants killing and raping people but then become suspiciously silent when Republicans and conservative donors are outed doing the same things.

I’m guessing that if you look into sexual assault committed by your country’s citizens, you’ll find the incidence rate is actually higher, because the majority of rape victims are raped by people known to them.

Prove that the incidence of these are higher among immigrants than your citizens. Republicans in the US love to talk about illegal immigrants killing and raping people but then become suspiciously silent when Republicans and conservative donors are outed doing the same things.

I was not able to find any statistics on it. So your argument is inconclusive, unless you can dig up a statistic. However there has not been a single case of an assault gang rape done by ethnic Norwegians towards underage girls, in the same manner, at least not that has been reported by the police. (our newspapers are mostly centric/left-leaning, so it would end up in a newspaper if it happened)