It'll end up as "Vote stupid parties, win stupid prices"

https://lemmy.world/post/16357149

It'll end up as "Vote stupid parties, win stupid prices" - Lemmy.World

Finally something can be done about the irresponsible immigration wave that has been going on for far too long.
People move yo. It’s what we’ve always done and will always continue to do. Wherever things are shit, people will move to places where they are better.

The problem arises when the people that moves here, that don’t like our culture, and wants to change it, but still moves because our country is more prosperous than theirs.

Lately my own country have gotten large violent musli mobs “protesting” by attacking innocent bystanders, as well as the pilice. Then we have Sweden which has had such a bad and violent crime wave, that they literally had to ask the military for help combatting it.

Why create unnecessary problems that could be avoided?

I can’t find any figures showing an actual crime wave in Sweden (excepting a sharp spike in 2020 followed by a significant decline in 202, but 2020 had other circumstances that contributes that ar distinctly different from immigration). What are you talking about? Right-wing parties always talk about how much worse the crime rates are due to immigrants, but data never seems to appear which supports this.

I can’t find any figures showing an actual crime wave in Sweden

Perhaps you didn’t search well enough: www.tv2.no/nyheter/…/16089740/

Right-wing parties always talk about how much worse the crime rates are due to immigrants, but data never seems to appear which supports this.

Data to support it: ssb.no/…/crime-among-immigrants-and-children-of-i…

Sverige: Forsvaret skal hjelpe politiet i gjengkrigen

Statsminister Ulf Kristersson vil at det svenske forsvaret skal få bistå med sin kompetanse i krigen mot bølgen med gjengvold som ryster landet.

TV 2

I can’t seem to access the first, so I will focus on the second.

1.) It is a study of Norway, not Sweden. 2.) The categories all kinda fluctuate, but the specific rates that are higher appear to be non-violent and the largest is increase is traffic violations. 3.) This does not show an increase in crime rates overall as a result of immigration. 4.) Immigrant communities tend to be overpoliced which may explain increases in non-violent crime rates amongst the immigrant population (see this link detailing how Norwegian police purposefully focused on immigrants over the native population as an example of over-policing: journals.sagepub.com/doi/…/1362480619873347).

I likely missed details in this report as I do not read or speak Norwegian, but if I missed something vital, feel free to highlight it.

1.) It is a study of Norway, not Sweden.

I didn’t know you referred to Sweden specifically (rather than Europe as a whole), but in I can tell you this much: Norway and Sweden is extremely similar culturally. Immigration patterns are also similar. I’m not Swedish so it’s generally a bit more difficult to find data about Sweden than Norway. But the data is likely to be fairly similar to Sweden.

And my original comments was based towards immigration towards Europe as a whole. Norway and Sweden are certainly both European countries.

3.) This does not show an increase in crime rates overall as a result of immigration.

It directly states that immigrants and children of non-Europeans immigrants are overrepresented by about 2,5x (fig 4.10).

journals.sagepub.com/doi/…/1362480619873347). Your link isn’t working. But it makes sense to put the police where the crime actually happens.

And I’m not even sure why I have to defend myself. Even if crime wasn’t a problem, we should be allowed to protect our culture. Not every country needs to be like USA.

Even if crime wasn’t a problem, we should be allowed to protect our culture. Not every country needs to be like USA.

Culture always changes. The culture of your country has not been like this since the dawn of time. There is no good reason, why it should stay just the way it is right now, only because “that’s the way it always has been” in your memory. Also if the newly arriving people make all of your felloelw countrypeople abandon their old ways, maybe their was something wrong with those traditions to begin with. If you are only worried because the new people will bring their own culture and stick to it, that just adds to the culture and doesn’t take yours away.

And I’m not even sure why I have to defend myself.

I personally think one needs really good reasons if one chooses to defend xenophobic policies and puts millions of people under the general suspicion of spreading crime and violence while nearly all of them are just trying to get away from the war and violence in the countries where they are coming from.

Culture always changes. The culture of your country has not been like this since the dawn of time. There is no good reason, why it should stay just the way it is right now, only because “that’s the way it always has been” in your memory. Also if the newly arriving people make all of your felloelw countrypeople abandon their old ways, maybe their was something wrong with those traditions to begin with. If you are only worried because the new people will bring their own culture and stick to it, that just adds to the culture and doesn’t take yours away.

And people have a right to resist changes, which they consider are for the worse. Which they do, as seen by the election results. Which appearently most of Lemmy has a problem with.