China's electric farm trucks are very different than ours. I went there to see how

China's electric farm trucks are very different than ours. I...

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China’s electric farm trucks are very different than ours. I went there to see how

When I recently took a trip to China to see the world of electric micromobility, I was greeted with a...

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Low end electric vehicles of this type seem trustworthy, but I would absolutely avoid any of the high end EVs from China. The amount of battery issues (and fires from those) and other structural problems with their more expensive EVs seems like a lot of corners are being cut.

I would absolutely avoid any of the high end EVs from China

Won’t be an issue, since Chinese EV tariffs and trade restrictions are going to preclude imports entirely.

The amount of battery issues (and fires from those) and other structural problems with their more expensive EVs seems like a lot of corners are being cut.

Are you talking about a particular model? I haven’t heard of any BYD vehicles exploding into flames, like the odd Tesla.

There are about 2000 fires in more than 800000 electric vehicle-related enterprises in China every year. | Shanghai Non ferrous Metals

[there are more than 800000 electric vehicle-related enterprises in China, about 2000 fires occur every year.] there are more than 800000 electric vehicle-related enterprises in China. In 2021, there were 118800 new enterprises related to electric vehicles in China, an increase of 13.87 percent over the same period last year. It is the year with the largest number of new electric vehicle-related enterprises in the past decade. In 2014, 70700 were added, an increase of 21.64% over the same period last year, the fastest growth in nearly a decade. There were 104300 new units in 2020, a decrease of 7.19 percent over the same period last year, and 118800 in 2021, an increase of 13.87 percent over the same period last year.

There are about 2000 fires in more than 800000 electric vehicle-related enterprises in China every year

Is a 0.000125% rate of vehicle fires considered a serious problem?

Uhhhh, I think you need to check your math there. 2000 out of 800,000 is 0.25% or 1 in 400. And while that's not high as a generality, when it comes to selling a product, especially an expensive car, that's pretty high.
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For US electric vehicles, yes. And for most other nations, as your article notes. China is the exception, it seems, with much higher rates of fires occurring.
The numbers you provided are lower…

Good point! Now I'm the one who can't math. :P Though your source doesn't seem to mention the cause of the fires? I would assume the batteries, but involved in a fire can be vague. Same for the gasoline vehicles.

Meanwhile, the original source I have was fires just from the manufacturing of the cars, so not even including the numbers for the vehicles sold themselves.

Look, I understand you’re trying to feel like you’re right but you should just accept that compared to gas cars there’s pretty much nothing to worry about, people are freaking out because EV cars are the new thing but the stats are pretty clear, gas cars fires just don’t get as much coverage because gas cars are the norm.

I wouldn't say there's nothing to worry about: Worry about taking good care of your batteries is wise.

Don't charge them when frozen, protect them from impact/damage, and regularly inspect both your battery and bike's systems to keep yourself (and your bike) safe.

Eh, I wouldn't say there's nothing to worry about: Worry about taking good care of your batteries is wise. So is avoiding cheap shoddy batteries and bikes that don't have any protections built in.

Take care of your batteries: Don't charge them when frozen, avoid extreme heat, protect them from impact/damage, and regularly inspect both your battery and bike's systems to keep yourself (and your bike) safe.

Any amount is a serious problem that should be addressed by improved safety IMO. Hoping that solid state batteries pretty much eliminate fires but I guess we'll see.

Any amount is a serious problem

An incidence of failure that low can more readily be attributed to human error than manufacture’s defect. The idea that Chinese vehicles are less safe than their American or Japanese counterparts is not born out by your citations.

Could be, but why not engineer against human error? Seems like a very sensible thing to do: Make your products easy to use safely. No such thing as perfect but it should still be an important factor in engineering/designing anything.

In NA, vehicle fires happen at the following rates per 100k sales per year:

Hybrid : 3,474

Gas : 1,523

EV : 25.1

If the proposed 2,000 per 800,000 is accurate that works out to 250/100k per year. Or way lower than everything but EVs in NA.

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