Ah the memories - Lemmy.World

Them in 2016: “He’s not LITERALLY a fascist”

Them in 2024: “Okay he’s openly announcing his intent to be a dictator and get rid of the ‘others’ who are ‘poisoning our blood’, but unless it’s from the Bavarian area of Germany, it’s just sparkling authoritarianism. Besides, Biden is just as bad!”

The Bavarian area of Germany?

Hitler was Austrian and at least in Germany people use this saying with Italian Mussolini style fascism

It’s just a skooch of humor, not an academic treatise.

Oh, I see you’re in Germany. Well, that probably didn’t come across the same as it did here. Sorry - carry on.

Bavaria is the Texas of Germany; the only state most foreigners know of.
Maybe a reference to the München putsch?
Lol I don’t think they mean to be that particular with their place names for a joke phrase
Most people know the geography of your home like you know the geography of theirs: not really.
I don’t live in a swing state, my hands were tied.
How’d your downballot do?
Rock solid Democrat state here. Had a few nuts in local elections but kept firmly in check.

I don’t live in a swing state, my hands were tied.

Damn election process in USA is kinky.

This memory was made possible by donations from the DNC

But she was right about everything!

The part that really hurts is that it seems like the Democrats are setting themselves up to do it again.

I wouldn’t say she was right about anything other than calling trump supporters deplorables

politico.com/…/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC

When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.

She wad right he was Putin’s puppet.

She was right he was going to give away tons of tax money to the ultra wealthy

She was right he didn’t know shit about foreign policy

She was right he’s a demented rapist

She was right about so much more than his idiot cult were deplorable.

Was she right to convince trump to run?
Absolutely not, no, but neoliberals tend to blame other people for that and everything else she’s ever done wrong or wrongly neglected to do.
That’s hardly fair. They blame only those to their left.
Not necessarily. Just the other day, I got in an argument with one who solely blamed Wasserman-Schulz (who rightly deserves SOME of the blame) for the DNC screwing over Bernie, even though it was at the behest of the Clinton campaign, which was DE FACTO in charge of the DNC at the time 🤦

But she was right about everything!

Except the bit about assuming she could easily beat trump.

You got the joke!

Liberalism, by definition, is a set of values that maintains that all social and political problems can be addressed via existing power structures and systems.

The current democratic party is about as liberal as they come, with many bordering on neo-liberal, which is just a new way to say “old fashioned republican.”

They may look neutered and impotent and terrible at planning, but they’re right where they want to be. They maintain power but can also use the excuse of not being able to get past Republican obstructionism so that’s why they haven’t pushed major political reform.

The system is only broken for those it’s not benefitting directly.

My face is stuck in a permanent “YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER” meme because of these people.

People really enjoy discarding reality to make themselves feel better.

The latest dense motherfucker moment is all people right now who think Trump’s conviction means he will go to prison and they won’t have to worry about voting in November.

I’ve been called a nazi repeatedly for explaining that while the fantasy might make us all feel better, the reality is no judge on EARTH would condemn a geriatric, senile, ex-president to die in prison, to think nothing of the complications of things like Secret Service. “FuCk yOu FaSciSt!” they reply.

A strange day when you get called a fascist for encouraging center and left wing turnout to an election.
I’m not familiar with (I’m guessing) american politics can someone give me a short summary?
Me in 2016: “Weeeeelp I guess we’ll see if these checks and balances work” Me in 2024: “Somehow I’m still not sure”

Them in 2016: Institutions will save us!

Them in 2021: inchoate screaming

You losers had 4 years under a democratic president to stop being miserable cunts… It’s entirely possible that your situation has nothing to do with who’se in the white house.
Cope harder, brownshirt

Ah, I remember November 2016. The kids in the hippie dorm beat the shit out of someone on their floor because they didn’t vote.

Don’t get me wrong, Trump is a fascist. With that out of the way, just let me say that if you freak the fuck out over everything all the time, you are bound to be right every once in a while. It’s not impressive when you live your entire life in a histrionic state.

Uh, username . . . checks out? :)
Correctly predicted 47 of the last 4 disasters

I remember once of my coworkers saying, “I hear what you’re saying about Trump having issues, but I feel like we need to try something different, and the president doesn’t really have that much power anyway, so there’s not much he can do.”

Now he passionately hates Trump and tries to avoid any conversation about Trump voters because he was one.

Honestly, I thought trump running for president was the funniest thing ever. There was no way the idiot would win and at least the political season would have a clown to laugh at. I could not have been so wrong by Nov. I mean he made his announcement for candidacy descending a golden fucking escalator. From there he never stopped being a beyond parody asshole born from corporate America…and to this day I cannot really grasp how he became that popular. Although, I have strong feelings that much of it is born out of reaction to Obama’s presidency
I’m so completely with you. I was maybe a tiny bit less surprised because I have a coworker why travels a lot across middle America and he said he heard a lot of people talking about needing a change and Trump being a “man of the people” (which is objectively insane to say). I agree with you, though: a lot was in reaction to Obama, especially to having a black president.
It being immediately post-Obama and Trump being the only candidate willing to be insanely overly racist basically sealed him in as the Republican candidate. There is a large portion of white America that could not cope with a black man being president, much less for two terms. They had basically a decade where they were getting more and more riled up by every right wing talk show can you can imagine. Satan himself would have been elected if he dropped a hard R n-bomb on TV.
For sure. And that’s after McConnell and the others overtly said they were working hard to block anything he tried to do, to ensure he was a one term president. The number of filibusters was insane. And still he was a well regarded president.
When is Moscow Mitch going to die like zamn
As someone from and currently still living in middle America, Trump winning wasn’t surprising in the least. Part of me still blames the Democrats and “coastal left” in general for not paying enough attention to what has been going on here over the last thirty years. There was a time when these states could have become a bulwark for leftism with the right campaigning and political tactics, but by ignoring and culturally minimizing them it guaranteed that Christo-fascism would take hold. Ultimately though, people’s choices are their own, it’s just not worth it anymore and my husband and I are moving to New England in August and never looking back.
You really shouldn’t discount the role of russian propagandists and hackers. They were synchronized at the perfect moment in time when the boomers lost they damned minds and started posting insane screeds on the interwebs.
The democrats did this themselves too. How delusional do you have to be to go all in with HRC. Bernie would have won and that scared the NeoLibs
Lol yeah no. Bernie didn’t have the numbers. Bernie Bros just only ever speak to other Bernie Bros so they don’t realize that most Dems wanted Hillary. There’s this weird fantasy that Bernie had broad support and he just didn’t.

I keep reading comments from people who cannot grasp how he became popular, so I keep flogging this article: What Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán Understand About Your Brain It’s not precisely on-point, but it’s the only one I’ve seen in the popular media to even start to address the issue.

TL;DR: It’s not a conscious, rational decision to support him. It’s a hijacking of the fight-or-flight reaction to fear and resist facts.

What Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán Understand About Your Brain

Why do some people who support Trump also wind up believing conspiracy theories? There’s a scientific explanation for that.

Politico
Yeah. My co-worker pissed his vote away on johnson because he bought into the Clinton derangement propaganda. Still hated trump, but ensured trump would win. He doesn’t like to talk about it either for some reason.
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he bought into the Clinton derangement propaganda

Clinton was a bad candidate. Her time at Sec State gave us a slew of foreign policy bungles. Her time in the Senate under Bush Jr was even worse.

That’s why she got upset by Obama in 2008. People rightfully didn’t trust her to run the country, even from within her own party. She was so unpopular that she nearly lost to a socialist junior senator from Vermont in her second attempt.

If we could have just left the office vacant from 2016 to 2020, that might have been a better move for the country.

At least she wouldn’t have tipped SCOTUS into the favor of the anti-abortionists.
That’s assuming she was ever allowed to seat a judge.
An empy seat would have been overwhelmingly less damaging than what we got

Eight years of Obama telling everyone his hands were tied because Congress and the Courts and the states and public opinion and the need to win the next election cycle.

The Trump comes in like a wrecking ball, giving his goon squad cover to do anything they pleased. And after four years of that, we were convinced Presidents are powerful after all.

Then Biden steps into office and the President can’t do anything again.

If they have no problems with impropriety, blatantly breaking established norms and laws, and getting impeached a couple times, a President can do quite a bit!

The right to impropriety, blatantly breaking established norms and violating laws is reserved to state governments under Dem Presidents.

Getting impeached a couple times is still on the table, through.

Right, because Republicans only care about getting their way and Democrats try to play by the rules and tradition. It gets pretty frustrating.

Democrats try to play by the rules

The hide behind the rules, any time their donors don’t want something to happen.

Now imagine the Suer of the United States stepping into office
Someone I know who voted for McCain because she said “liberals don’t care enough about individual rights” went psychotic on her Republican friends when he was elected. I asked her if she understood if voting for Sarah Palin laid the ground work for this and she unfriended me.
Not like she was going to admit fault