gregorumEven old, crusty Klingons know to celebrate diversity. Happy Pride! ❤️🖖🏻
lemick24I named my cat Dax after Jadzia. He’s a boy and we kept his first name from the adoption centre, so now he’s Nelson Dax - I thought about this very scene when we chose the name. Such a heartwarming exchange
Odo is Ace.
Flying SquidHe’s really not all that ace…
The Stoned Hackerasexual people can still have sex and enjoy it, to my understanding it’s they lack sexual desire or a need for sex. It’s also on a spectrum, like most things
kamenladyFor me, it jumps wildly around the spectrum in between a few hours. It’s emotionally exhausting.
Yes, that’s called “getting horny”.
Kira, Laas, and the Female Changeling would assert otherwise…
And considering that he linked with just about any Changeling he met (including, literally, all of them at once), I believe the best assessment of Odo is that he’s pansexual.
Genderfluid does suit him better, or?
We never witnessed him change or express different genders himself.
What’s the gender of a bucket of fluid?
Whatever they identify as. Who are you to question that?
Settle down, Jimmy.
you’re hallucinating. My name isn’t “Jimmy.” Try sobering up before you comment.
You may be fine with ignorance and bigotry. I will call it out when I see it.
If you don’t like that, leave.
wizardbeardDude, you just exploded over a pun that went over your head.
Odo rests as a bucket of fluid/liquid Odo. Bucket of fluid -> gender fluid.
Chill out.
Oh, no! The consequences of your actions!
Don’t blame me for that, lol
If you’re gonna be an awful psychotic nightmare, take it to Reddit. They love that there.
If you need to go on the Internet and make edgelord troll comments just to get hard, that’s also not my problem
When you come here to troll, you are entirely to blame for the consequences.
Don’t like it when people call you out for trolling? Then stop trolling.
Again, 100% your fault. The consequences of your actions do not constitute a state of victimhood.
Sincerely, who do you think you are speaking to?
There have been three separate people in this comment thread past the initial fluid joke.
I think you have me confused for someone else.
Sincerely, who do you think you are speaking to?
Childish trolls with no self-control
Why do you feel the need to be an unmitigated jerk?
Just stop. It’s very easy. All you have to do is nothing.
How in the fuck is trying to let you know that you missed a joke about fluid trolling? Please look at the context of the thread you’re replying to instead of making knee jerk assumptions and just firing off “hot take” replies.
I’m not the one looking foolish here.
I understand that you said in some other comment that you have someone on lemmy stalking you and downvoting your shit. I understand that whoever the fuck the user plainsimplegarak is, the guy who called you Jimmy, is weird and unhinged. I am neither of those people.
I was just trying to tell you that you missed a dumb joke about the word fluid, and responded agressively to the person making it. My bad that I should have replied to you one comment higher rather than below “garak”, but it looked like you were just doubling down on weird out of place aggression.
Either way, I have no idea what in the fresh hell you think is going on now or who the fuck you think I am. Please take a moment and come back to this comment thread when you aren’t… in whatever weird ass state you seem to be in right now.
I’ve only ever interacted with you here, trying to point out the stupid joke you seemed to miss and misinterpret as some bigoted attack, and now I’m confused as all hell.
How in the fuck
Ok, you’re clearly having an eye-popping, rage-reaction and aren’t rational. As such, I’m - quite rationally - ignoring every ridiculous thing you’ve said and hoping that a mental health professional can stabilize you.
May the fire in your mind light the path to your recovery.
Best of luck!
Oh joy. I’m saved by your magnamity.
You missed a pun and ran with the thought that you were under attack rather than the possibility you missed an obvious and dumb joke.
I hope one day you find relief from the trolls you’ve built in your own head. I’m out.
Oh joy. I’m saved by your magnamity.
There’s nothing magnanimous about pointing out your mental illness nor being gracious in the face of it. That’s just being decent.
I suggest you also be decent by dropping this ridiculous line of Irrationality that you seem committed to.
Hey. I hope you can read through this chain later. This guy didn’t say anything mean and you snapped at him. I get it. We all do things quickly and poorly when angry. It’s all good. Your response was poor and I think you should consider that in the future to try to avoid making the same mistake.
The post shows you care to some extent about how other people feel. I would hope that extends to people on the other side of a conversation to you too. I can understand you were upset by other things, but that doesn’t make it OK to try to upset other people. It won’t help you.
Go gaslight someone else. I’m not as stupid as apparently you are.
I don’t think you’re stupid. I just now think you’re an asshole. Such a shame with what seemed to be a kind post.
Go take your insecurities out on someone else.
Try sobering up before you comment.
Oof that projection though. Not everyone has that problem, immediately going there (and the rest of your below tirade) suggests you do. Nothing more insufferable than a zealot just waiting to be mad.
“No u!”
An argument that is the last recourse of the desperate.
Best wishes to your family and friends. I know how difficult it can be to deal with someone as disturbed as you.
I hope you live somewhere that provides free healthcare.
ummthatguyGendersolid, most of the time
If there are any trans people here, did that scene mean a lot to you when you saw it?
I am neither trans, nor would I ever presume to speak on behalf of trans people. The reason I posted this is because, over the years, this specific meme has been presented repeatedly as evidence that Klingons are excepting of trans folx.
As such, I think it’s safe to assume that, yes, it carries meaning of (at least some) importance.
In that, I hope my own presentation here is thusly interpreted as an expression of goodwill.
I guess I was more hoping to hear people’s stories about seeing that and what it meant to them when they first saw it. I like hearing how Star Trek inspires people and makes them feel more accepted.
Of course, sure. Sorry, I just wanted to clarify my motivation for posting, not to pre-empt anyone else from sharing!
Your post was appreciated by all, I’m sure.
Awww ❤️
Except for the stan I seem to have picked up. Downvotes everything of mine. Given the posts/comments they dont hit, I suspect they’re on either sh.it just.works or hexbear based on a pattern analysis of which instances I post in and which instances are defederated from them.
I read a book about the realization that 50% of other people won’t like you, won’t like what you say, your style or whatever. That’s true to life and always good to have in your mind, so you don’t let everything get on a personal level to you.
But there’s always that one special idiot that may also stan you.
/s sent with silly kindness
No offense or anything similar taken from my part.
On the contrary, it suits perfectly.
Yeah, well, fuck whoever’s downvoting. Bigots don’t count.
Both of my teenage children and I happen to be non-binary. The scene in Discovery where Adira is semi-asleep at a console and Culber comes in using the wrong pronouns to refer to Adira, and Stamets corrects him and tells him Adira uses they/them pronouns, and Culber shifts seamlessly into it and the two of them have an entire conversation about them…that scene legit had me squeeing. I’d never seen such an exchange happen in any show, and it was perfection. It was meant to show well-meaning allies who struggle with gender-neutral pronouns how simple they are to use and how meaningful and important it is to honor them because the people who use them are important.
That’s awesome! I am really happy for you and your kids that Star Trek did that for you.
My ex cried when watching this scene for the first time after coming out as trans
Kelly Aster 🏳️⚧️When I first saw this, I was in a different point in my life and didn’t know who I was (I only knew I was angry and miserable), and I loved that Kor immediately accepted her. It made sense to me. I don’t know if it was subconscious or not, I’ll probably never know.
But I know I really love this scene now, and I’m grateful to the show writers and producers for including it, especially after learning about the uphill battle they faced to integrate themes like this. Inclusion matters and makes a difference, even if stupid assholes complain. It’s a lovely scene, and I’m forever grateful.
Obligatory angry glare at Rick berman for personally standing in the way of true lgbtq representation allowing only scraps and subtext instead
It was really disappointing to learn what a colossal dick Berman is, but it did explain why he was almost completely absent in that DS9 documentary and why no one bothered to mention him. Yeah, terrible choice for a Trek (or any progressive program) showrunner.
I love this.
Also hilariously illustrates the obsession of so many people over genitals instead of seeing the person having them.
I have a suspicion that Klingons would consider not being your true self dishonorable.
Probably. I also believe that they would truly honor someone who went through a difficult, painful journey in order to realize - and become - who they really are.
🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 🏆They would sing songs of their struggle and subsequent conquest and glory!
Some day, we’ll get a Trek series that treats LGBTQ folx as people rather than set-pieces, and, perhaps, we will hear those songs…
What’s SNW and even DSC then? I’m confused how main characters like Ortegas and Stamets are “set-pieces”? I do really hope they bring back Captain Angel though, what a great baddie (you love) haha.
Well, when they only exist to die for plot points and their only character developent exists to service the convenience of the moment— yeah, clearly these characters are only important as a matter of plot convenience, not as actual people.
It’s cheap, shitty, and shallow. And if you don’t see that for what it is, I feel very bad for you. but I feel worse for all of the LGBTQ audience members who are fooled into thinking that this is progress. It’s fucking trash.
Trek has only evolved from “lgbtq people are invisible” to “lgbtq people are expendable for the sake of ratings”
They only acknowledge us to murder us horribly in order to yank tears.
I AM NOT A PLOT POINT
…
…Seven of Nine and Rafi got their own command. Stamets and Culber remained a loving couple throughout (apart from Culver’s unfortunate temporary death) and adopted a young enby who had their own growth throughout the series while everyone respected their pronouns. Nurse Chapel is a bi woman who withdrew her application to a fellowship at the Vulcan Science Council, essentially telling them “your fellowship ain’t ready for *me*”.
I wouldn’t consider their queer identities to be conveniences or their character arcs to be simple plot points by any stretch of the imagination. Retconning Sulu as gay? Maybe. Agender computer genius aliens stealing the ship or a third-gender alien’s romantic encounter with Riker? Okay, sure.
But the latest Trek serieses put queer people in space and haven’t been using them as lip service or exclusively as minor supporting characters. They’ve been full-fledged characters whose queer identities the audience was been made aware of and shown that, in the future, the bigots lose because their queerness doesn’t define them…it is just a part of who they are. They are masters of their own destinies.
Oh, so it’s gonna make up for 60 years of shitting on queer people as long as Seven gets her own command.
Thanks for clearing that up
They’ve had out, badass prominent characters whose identities don’t define them in the last three live action Star Trek series, spitting in the face of the aNTi-wOkE haters who claim to love Star Trek but have only ever watched it through their own particular bigoted myopic lenses. What do you want them to do? Invent an actual time machine to do rewrites of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT?
The best way to apologize is to learn from your mistakes and do better in the future. The Star Trek show runners have taken this to heart, so I don’t know what more you want from them.
lgbtq people are expendable for the sake of ratings
It certainly felt that way when they killed off (redacted for spoilers, but we all know who). It was cheap, and I’m glad they course corrected.
No matter your gender, the ridges of your brow and scars across your body shall never change. For Glory!
The Bat’leth knows no gender, only blood.
If anyone had a problem it might be the Ferengi watching (Fe)Males putting on clothes and doing business, but they’d just figure out a fine to levy and keep the latinum moving.
Gross. I don’t feel like looking up what this implies