MueheIt has already been removed again
originalucifer
Also, the RfC: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Donald_Trump#RfC_on_…
Thanks for the link. I love Wikipedia!
Pretty much the only question is first sentence or second sentence (almost):
Default_DefectHis being a criminal is the most well known fact about him, I’d argue it should be mentioned as early as possible to reflect that.
I’m pretty sure that him being an ex-president is a better known fact. But still, him being the first and only criminal ex-president is pretty remarkable. Keep it in the first sentence!
No. A lot of his followers think he is not convicted. That’s a shame jury. A lot still think he is president and didn’t loose to Joe Biden. The most damning truths about him have been pushed aside and ignored.
That doesn’t mean an encyclopedia should buy into that.
Scubus“Trump is a convicted felon, a failed businessman, and the only president to be impeached twice.”
“Donald is a life-long con man and fraud, finally convicted of dozens of felonies in his later years. He is also a rapist.”
ZagorathI’m inclined to agree with this comment, to be honest:
Use Barak Obama page as an example. First sentence is about him as a US President. The second sentence is about something he was particularly special for – bring first African-American US President. Both sentences are above the portrait.
The same should be done for Donald Trump – first sentence is about him being a US President. The second sentence (still above the portrait) is about him being the first US President convicted of a felony
This is pretty level-headed.
It’s Wikipedia, even the Nazis have to try to sound rational or they get banned. Don’t be fooled by the tone. They are lying and there’s tons of articles of politicians with their criminal history in the lede.
please don’t edit war. there are experienced editors who will make sure the article is in line with the standards.
Hey you guys I just had an amazing thought, wouldn’t it be amazing if he just sort of accidentally dropped dead of natural causes or whatever so we could be relieved of all this nonsense? And Biden too…
seriously, I imagine what a huge relief that would be.
of course politics would just replace them with some other yahoos up there but can we just move on already…
I’d rather have genocide joe over kamala tbh
Genocide Joe? He’s been dead since 1953.
LinkerbaanHe was talking about Genocide Joseph not Genocide Jozef.
So many joes to pick from :{|>
BOMBSJozef
I think it’s actually Iosif. His name is spelled as Иосиф in Cyrillic.
и = i
o = o
c = s
ф = f
1984There is relief right now if you don’t follow politics. :)
Since you do, I guess you enjoy reading about the worst of humanity.
I mean not reading about it doesn’t make it go away. Advising people to ignore politics that directly effect your life is… not a great strategy.
I disagree actually. It affects your life but you can’t do anything about it. What the politicians say is just hot air anyway. It’s pointless to get emotionally involved and manipulated by their statements. Even bad for you.
I absolutely do NOT follow politics, but am addicted to reddit & Lemmy in my downtime when I’m not doing yoga or massaging people or sleeping and it’s pretty impossible to avoid getting hit in the head with posts mentioning political figures every time we leisurely browse Lemmy.
I don’t see them usually. I’m not subscribed :)
it’s exactly as you say, but i think moving on and on with worse and worse options is not gonna be better than the current iteration. and no one’s gonna fix the social divide or the voting system. i recommend just stopping to vote and stopping to watch news. the losers have already won, why are we still playing
Local elections are still significant and will have impact on your area. These are the people allocate funds in your city - could be the difference in roads getting fixed or yet another pet project no one asked for.
What really sucks is my local politicians are very outwardly partisan, even though the positions are supposed to be nonpartisan. The surprising thing is that there are more liberalish residents than I expected. Unfortunately it’s just not enough to change what we get.
or yet another pet project no one asked for.
Here’s a fun one. The entire city is just being treated as one big pump-and-dump stonk for predatory real estate investors at this point anyway.
Same with Pootin and Netanyahu.
The world would be soo much more chill
Heh. “Pootin”…
explodicleAging 2024
Its why I really wish I had a death note. So many names to put into to make the world a bit better
samus12345First order of business: Googling the name and picture of every Republican member of the House, the Senate, and the SCOTUS.
You know I do kinda wonder what effect that would have culturally, especially if that became a kind of trend or mainstay. Like, obviously a big investigation would take place as to the cause of death. Doubt they would come up with anything, but obviously, huge scandal. After that, do the successors keep getting killed since they’d probably be the same or worse, or what happens? What would happen in response to that? Would they rename the party, launch further investigations, would they attempt to dissolve the party? Would they attempt to believe in different ideals out of a kind of fear or natural selection, or what? Would they all just devolve into extremely conspiratorial thought as they desperately tried to ward it off?
I mean, if they figured it out, then they might even just start putting them out under aliases or fake names or something.
BigBenisWhat happens when the government figures out who is in possession of the death note and arrests them/confiscates the death note? I don’t know what’s scarier, some rogue nobody with the death note or the United States Government.
I mean the government pretty much already has a death note, of a kind. If you’re not Gary Webb, then they could always just slip some shit in your water main or whatever, or otherwise just kinda kill you however they want. So it’s not all that useful for them to have, other than being cheaper and maybe making some political assassinations much easier.
His followers would call it a political hit and cause an even bigger ruckus as he’s remembered as a martyr
why would anyone care what his followers call it?
Theyre the ones that have to live with it
lol Biden?? What did he do to you?
Absolutely nothing but at least we can get some non geriatric presidential nominee.
ObliviousEnlightenmentAfter Trump dies
GhostalmediaHis bio at 8:48pdt
Being debated on the Talk page
You’re fuckin kidding me.
PaupersSerenadeI haven’t edited a wiki page, so maybe I’m missing something. Isn’t that an accurate statement? Until yesterday we didn’t know the verdict, and we still need the sentencing. Both of those absolutely should be added to the page once result are known. Hence why information would/will change.
They’ve locked the article, and it still states the ‘criminal status’.
Conservatives are in there arguing we can’t call him a convicted felon until he’s exhausted his appeals.
I get that folks are engaged for various reasons, but Wikipedia isn’t at it’s best when it comes to current events. I feel like that battle will slow as time passes.
Still - a big thank you to those who strive to combat misinformation.
Oh his page is going to be locked for years after this if they don’t allow any inclusion. It’s the only way to prevent it from being repeatedly added. We’ll see how it goes. For what it’s worth half the problem seems to be that he has a leading sentence instead of a leading paragraph.
The double standard by conservatives is just… stupid. That’s not how the legal system works. He is now a convicted felon. In a normal American’s world, Donnie would be waiting for sentencing, and often he could be sent to jail to wait for this sentence to occur, before he’s sent to prison(or probation, or home arrest, or whatever). The right to an appeal does not make him “sorta kinda, not a criminal, yet”. If he wasn’t who he is, he’d be in prison for 3-5 years, maybe 10.
Now, Donnie must file an appeal. This takes a while because he needs to prove the conviction was in error, new evidence, something wrong about his defense attorneys or jury tampering. The judge then needs to approve or deny this. Denied appeals, go up the justice food chain to the next court, and the next, and all the way to the Supreme Court who can all but void that conviction and Donnie gets his appeal (unlikely they even view the case). But hey, let’s pretend he somehow gets an appeal.
Now, 2-6 years from now (because our justice system is slow), Donnie can have another trial and have his conviction overturned. But this time he’ll need to basically bribe, threaten and distort all the criminal charges that they used against him.
Is unlikely his conviction will be overturned. His appeals process is just going to muddy the waters, but never bring anything to help. His one saving grace will be the “one juror” he knew would hang the jury, who could say he was forced, or something, to vote guilty.
Until this soap opera is over, Donnie is still a convicted felon. There is no gray area. Ask any other “innocent“ convicted felons serving time while they wait for appeals. Appeals don’t make them less convicted.
LizI have such a hard time imagining a conservative, much less a Trump fan, thinking the general concept of Wikipedia is a good idea.
They aren’t there in good faith.
Should be because of election interference
Twice impeached, convicted rapist and 34-time smelly felon ‘Sleepy Don’ Donald Trump…
It’s starting to sound like a boxing intro
My useless opinion:
I barely knew Donald Trump prior to his election campaign, pre-2020. Not as a business man nor media personality. I would probably recognize the name, but I wouldn’t be familiar with anything he had done up until he ran for president the first time.
The only notable thing about him, for me, is that he was president (easily one of the worst), and he is a convicted felon. So, I think it’s pretty stupid to argue whether “convicted felon” should be in his opening lede line for Wikipedia. To me, that answer is obvious. Yes, of course it should be.
His first election campaign was in 2016, not 2020 haha