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zeppoJOR BIDEN GENERCIDEs SO I VOET 3rd Party BRO IM COMMUNISM
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Belittling opposition to genocide. Great look
It’s not belittling genocide opposition. It’s belittling those who hold democracy ransom over a single issue that they don’t understand, and weren’t even aware was happening for the last several decades.
Incrediblely hypocritical when it’s you holding democracy ransom telling them who to vote for. I am expressing democracy by voting for Jill Stein.
You’re knowingly throwing away a vote. There’s not much left that is more anti-democracy.
But for now- you can enjoy that right.
Projection, you’re literally voting for someone you don’t agree with, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.
agamemnonymousYou’re voting third party in a First Past the Post election structure, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the specific incarnation of democracy you exist within.
Hilarious, you are so clueless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting Theres a list of countries on there for you to look at, they have several options for parties, and many come and go in popularity.
You simply choose to consent to a duopoly out of pure foolishness.
That doesn’t mean it works well in those countries. Plus, there are other differences to how their governments are structured.
What are you doing to get RCV? I’m voting for a candidate that supports it.
Voting in primaries for people who support it would help. In general elections, how will that help since they can’t get elected?
Puts pressure on duopoly to make changes, and builds support for the Green party for future efforts
It’s not worth doing that if it puts Republicans in charge, especially now when they’re basically planning on installing a dictator.
It’s not worth it to do nothing and have o plan for improving the country.
I appreciate that but it has to be a useful and rational plan that might actually work.
The plan is growing the largest decent party we have. What’s your plan?
primary centralist losers and try to turn the Ds left.
Yeah sure go for it, but the Justice Democrats tried that and always end up voting along with the right wing Dems.
That’s not great, but the way elections are set up makes a 3rd party vote worse than useless. Better than not voting, but it doesn’t accomplish much.
Who said i disagree with him? I dislike a very few things he’s doing, and disagree with how they’re handled. That’s it.
I’m an adult though. So I understand nuance. And I also know that compromise is how things get accomplished.
Go ahead and look through a history book and see how many times protest votes and not booting succeeded in actionable results.
I’ll wait here.
Who said i disagree with him?
You claim to be against genocide several times on your account.
And I also know that compromise is how things get accomplished.
Your strategy has managed to move this country to the extreme right wing. Time to admit it doesn’t work and try something else.
Go ahead and look through a history book and see how many times protest votes and not booting succeeded in actionable results.
Oh the irony, you’re the one with reading to do. I’m building a movement to improve the country and it starts with support. You would be proudly shouting down civil rights protestors back in the day.
So…. You didn’t check to see how many times doing nothing has brought change.
I’m still waiting.
You’re the one doing nothing, yes I went though history and checked, turns out not doing anything like you changes nothing. Your plan: vote dem and do nothing for 4 years. My plan: build a movement by supporting the Green party so we have an opposition forcing the Dems to give concessions.
Hilarious.
You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”
Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.
So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?
You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”
Wow, someone actually arguing that historically movements did not start small, you’re a smart one /s.
Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.
More than you’ve ever achieved on your life.
So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?
I use my skills in web development to help them out with several state party websites, and much more. So happy I have things to be proud of instead of being you.
ROFL…. That sure is a lot of assumptions you made in a lot of nonsense filled paragraphs.
I sincerely hope you don’t develop this “movement” of yours with as much ignorance as you’ve presented here in this discussion, because I don’t see many people taking you seriously
I don’t see many people taking you seriously
Nice projection. Helps you cope.
Check this out: https://x.com/DrJillStein/status/1794064682745229765
Dr. Jill Stein🌻 (@DrJillStein) on X
Wow. @TheDemocrats posted - then deleted - a job for a “Third Party Project Manager” to infiltrate their competition and find ways to take us off the ballot. Is this how they’re “saving democracy”? Help us fight back and make sure we get on the crucial NY ballot:
Cool story…
Check this out: amp.cnn.com/cnn/…/jill-stein-senate-intelligence
Report: Russian troll farm included pro-Jill Stein messaging on social media
A report prepared for the Senate Intelligence Committee said Russian social media efforts to meddle in the 2016 presidential election included messaging in support of the Green Party 2016 presidential nominee Jill Stein.
Russian government-linked Internet Research Agency (IRA), the troll group indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller earlier this year.
https://apnews.com/article/7527e051bd8c4be1beef9d7c37c8290e
The Justice Department is moving to drop charges against two Russian companies that were accused of funding a social media campaign to sway American public opinion during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
LOL
ROFL!!! You really should read your own article bud. It says nothing about the troll farm NOT supporting Stein. The charges were dropped for completely unrelated issues.
Also, a case being dropped doesn’t indicate no wrongdoing. I’d urge you to look up how nuance works as a concept and then apply that to everthing to see and hear-
But we both know you’re not going to do that. It’s much easier to make shit up, isn’t it?
The charges were dropped for completely unrelated issues.
Aww… you’re sad they didn’t have evidence. Pity.
Stein is not in prison, and is back on the campaign trail, they wouldn’t allow it if they had a shred of evidence. Notice how you vaguely say there is without presenting any.
Loving this beatdown of your pathetic attempt portray her as Russian funded!
My god man. If it weren’t for straw men, you’d never have a point to debate, would you?
I never once said Stein broke any rules. So… why would she be in prison? What I said was- and was backed up factually with evidence was-
Russian troll farms were spreading pro Stein propaganda. This is not up for debate. And it’s becoming more and more suspicious that so many people here seem to want to repeat the same bullshit from back in 2016.
It’s almost as if……
Naaaah! It can’t be. It’s not possible that Russia is trying to manipulate people using lemmy?
Is it?
Finally, the last resort of the liberal: calling me Russian when they lost the argument!
You’re so sad Stein isn’t in prison like you want.
your disgusting amp link doesn’t show anything of import.
“Nothing of important?” Did you mean… importance?
And… it shows Jill Stein being propped up by Russian troll farms. Vet culinary to what we have here on lemmy.
Go ahead and get your last word in, I’m done wasting my time in this useless discussion.
do you know how i know that you’re not well-read?
The opening letter of every sentence must always be capitalized. Also, “I” is the only pronoun that must always be capitalized.
I’d think someone that accuses others of not being “well-read” would know this.
i’m anticapitalist
Go away troll.
calling me names doesn’t change whether you’re making up baseless accusations
of course, if janis joplin wanted to sing a song about a mercedes benz, that song would be of great social and political import.
Okay… you’re clearly a troll trying to waste my time. So… We’re done here.
Blocking you, so don’t bother responding.
Blocking you
oh thank god.
you’re clearly a troll trying to waste my time.
calling me names won’t change the facts
The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).
A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system. It’s so obvious that I can’t imagine why it would need to be explained. Have a good leftist candidate, it’ll take votes from the liberal. Popular conservative alt candidate, will take votes from the Republican. With our current roughly 50/50 balance, either one could result in the candidate with less support for their ideology winning. That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.
The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).
Yes, we’re working on that unlike the Dems.
A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system.
Yeah they can, if you vote for them.
That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.
RFK not exist?
If EVERYONE who would otherwise vote D voted for them, yes. That’s not going to happen, hence the scenario I gave which you quoted. Split the non-conservative vote between two parties, and the conservatives win - how is that going to help?
Conservative vote is being split by libertarians and RFK, so it’s a great opportunity for the Green party. Notice how the spoiler argument is never used against the libertarians?
It is though. There have been 3rd party conservative spoilers too… it’s just that typically, it’s a Republican plot to fuck over Democrats.
I’ve never seen it. It’s only Dems making the argument while ignoring the Libertarian party pulls far more Republican voters than the Green party pulls Democratic voters.