Daring FireballMay 21, 2024
Apple Loosens Core Technology Fee for Hobbyists and Small Developers
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2024/05/21/apple-loosens-core-technology-fee-for-hobbyists-and-small-developers
Apple Loosens Core Technology Fee for Hobbyists and Small Developers

Link to: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=d0z8d8rx

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Show threadMichael CritzMay 22, 2024

@daringfireball I don’t know why anyone thought EU mandating alternative stores would mean free access to Apple’s APIs.

If the EU mandates open access to Apple API it’d amount to imminent domain of copyright IP.

Show threaddmitriidMay 22, 2024

@pixelscience @daringfireball

Now tell me how you apply that logic to MacOS.

Also, people have already paid for that API: iPhones are not free.

Show threadMichael Critz

@dmitriid @daringfireball Hi Dimitri!

We’ve been over this before and I don’t see the point in arguing with you again.

I’d discuss this again if you can review our prior conversation and can articulate my position back to me.

Have a great day.

May 23, 2024 at 1:51amIvory for iOS
Show threaddmitriidMay 23, 2024

@pixelscience @daringfireball

We may have, but I'll reiterate:

- Apple needs developers as much as, if not more than, developers need Apple. iPhone is nothing without the millions of apps Apple keeps boasting about.

- iPhones are not free. Every person that buys an iPhone pays for the development and access to the APIs that power it. It's no different from Apple giving "free access" to the APIs in MacOS

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Show threaddmitriidMay 23, 2024

@pixelscience @daringfireball

- Apple has literally no right to insert itself into every single transaction between the user and the developer.

- And on top of that we have Apple's own executives saying that they don't care if AppStore is profitable or not and thay yhey don't even track how much loney it brings. So according to Apple *themselves* they don't have to do what they do

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Show threadDelricMay 24, 2024
@dmitriid @pixelscience @daringfireball as for “right” to be part of the transaction…you must not have ever worked retail like in, oh you know, a mall, or practically anywhere, where it’s extremely common for landlords to collect a % of gross as terms of the lease. For being in the mall. Seriously this absurdly common. They built it, they offered it, they charge for it. Build your own platform if you don’t like it. Does Nintendo or Sony give theirs for free? nooope
Show threaddmitriidMay 24, 2024

@delric @pixelscience @daringfireball

Ah yes. How could I forget that for every transaction I have with Nike, for example, they have to pay a percentage to every single mall where they have a presence.

Also: why doesn't the retail analogy work with MacOS?

Show threadDelricMay 24, 2024
@dmitriid @pixelscience @daringfireball iPhone was an obvious and immediate hit as soon as it hit the market, even without apps or an app store. Still a day 1 purchase. So the claim that it’s the apps that made the iPhone is rather bumpkins. People like my parents don’t even download apps, but want an easy to use phone that doesn’t require tech support from their children.
Show threaddmitriidMay 24, 2024

@delric @pixelscience @daringfireball

The "obvious choice" for people who don't remember history, at all. The original iPhone especially was a far from obvious choice.

And to deny the fact that apps made iPhone what it is today is to deny reality.