People of Mastodon!

I'm researching the growth of ebikes ...

... in cities around the US

I've talked to many people who love them!

But also want to include the perspective of folks who have concerns ...

... i.e. about the speed and weight of ebikes in accidents with pedestrians or other cyclists, and the like

If anyone has thoughts they wanna share, ping me! I'm all ears: [email protected]

Pass this along if you know anyone else with perspective they want to share

#fedibikes

@clive I wonder to what extent this is a regional/cultural/infrastructural thing. In my neighborhood in SF, ~ all ebike use is parents on big cargo bikes, driving like boring, safety-conscious parents. I have family in SoCal, and there looooots of ebike use is teenagers driving pedal-less near-motorcycles like teenagers (while the parents drive SUVs, of course). Both "ebikes" but worlds apart in the experience of people around them.

@luis_in_brief

Yes, excellent point

I think it's highly contigent on this stuff

Here in NYC, it's heavily infrastructural: There was a noticeable increase in cycling propelled by COVID -- plus the consistent rollout of bikeshare stands -- that has continued to this day; it's made a couple of major bike routes in and out of manhattan surprisingly congested during peak periods ...

... with conflicts between bikes and regular bikes

@clive yeah, I wonder how much some of the concern about "ebikes" is really concern about infrastructure. (I hate having to drive on sidewalks, for example, but sometimes that's far and away the safest thing...)

There's also status quo bias. It drives me nuts the number of SFans who genuinely believe that cyclists in SF are as dangerous to pedestrians as cars, when cars have killed nearly 300 people since the last time a cyclist killed a pedestrian in the city. But those deaths are normalized.

@luis_in_brief

I think these arguments are very heavily propelled by infrastructure yeah

A few years ago I spoke to the folks at Citibike, the bikeshare firm here in NYC

They were talking to the city about the overwhelming popularity of the ebike option in citibike -- only 20% of the bikes are ebikes but they are disproportionately preferred by riders

The city and citibike were realizing, damn, ideally, we need two-by-two bike lanes

One "slow" and one "passing" lane in each direction

@luis_in_brief

No room for that, though, without a more substantive reallocation of streets from ICE vehicles to things-roughly-the-size-of-a-bike-or-smaller

@clive SF and NYC need an Anne Hidalgo
@clive @luis_in_brief We need about ten to thirty Annes Hildago in Germany first. Get in line 
@clive @luis_in_brief I also want wider protected lanes so I can ride beside my kids. one nice thing about two-way cycle tracks is the opposite lane can be used for passing
@clive that one death was not an ebike either; it was a douche trying to get a low time on a Strava course that flew through a crowded intersection. 12 years ago now, average of 20ish deaths a year by car since then, and zero AFAIK by ebike: https://road.cc/content/news/89218-us-cyclist-who-killed-pedestrian-guilty-vehicular-manslaughter-escapes-jail
US cyclist who killed pedestrian guilty of vehicular manslaughter but escapes jail

Family of crash victim "did not believe sending him to jail would do anything"

road.cc
@luis_in_brief @clive I seriously think older generations view all cyclists like messengers or roadies from the 80s, swerving about, and in their disdain they are unwilling / unable to acknowledge that e-bikes have fundamentally changed ridership demographics and patterns. *way* more women ride now — I suspect cargo bike ridership is split 50/50 between moms and dads
@burritojustice @clive that was sort of my assumption too, but boy… some of the socal e-motorcycle teenagers would have made great messengers in the 80s, except with lower odds of the package getting to its destination.

@burritojustice @luis_in_brief

yep yep -- I believe I've seen stats on ebikes having a higher ridership by women than traditional bikes

@clive @luis_in_brief yeah infrastructure is definitely an issue around here. It's getting more and more common while I'm walking around town to have some e-bike come whipping past me on a narrow sidewalk before I even hear them coming...which feels quite dangerous, if I stepped around a pole or hydrant or pile of trash at the wrong moment I suspect that would not go well for either of us...

And I can understand why they don't want to be on the roadway...but the sidewalks are already insufficient too around here (assuming there is a sidewalk at all) so it's just a shit situation all around. They should probably slow down a bit though if they're gonna be on sidewalks...

@admin @luis_in_brief

yikes, bikes of any sort (piloting by adults, at least) shouldn't be ridden on sidewalks at all! Way too dangerous to pedestrian

@clive @luis_in_brief Yeahh, but only a road like this there is really no good place for bikes...or pedestrians...or humans in generally really.

And actually it looks way better in the picture than it usually does in person...can't really see the trash and potholes and other obstacles lol, but yeah especially on the sidewalk on the right side with those massive bushes...and parts of that aren't even paved unless you count the mosaic of broken beer bottles lol

(That building on the left is part of the massive middle school complex...which I usually try to avoid lol...but yeah probably hundreds of kids walk through here every day...)

So yeah...it ain't just bike infrastructure that we need...although that would certainly help...

@clive @luis_in_brief ironically there is a lovely bike path which ends right behind that vacant lot...pretty sure it runs at least twenty miles...but it's sandwiched between the river and the railroad tracks. Any cross streets just bridge right over all of it. Evely five miles or so there's a parking lot but those are the only places to get on or off the path. Completely useless as transportation. I think most people drive there to bike to nowhere and then drive back home...