Lefty Nemesis - jlai.lu

I think the real division on the “left” can be boiled down to those using all the language and rhetoric of left wing ideology but in service of fascist and conservative ideas.

For example, tankies or people who have been brainwashed by tankies; a person can spend all day talkibg about how they support Palestine and BLM and LGBT rights etc. but then turn around and defend the CCP, which completely undermines any claim that they’re actually on the left/center.

So in that way it’s less of a “progressives never agree” and more of a “anti-progressive ideas are constantly pushed into progressive spaces to undermine them.”

Isn’t that the point of the meme? Leftists can share 94% of views, but if they disagree on one thing they are treated as the worst enemy, rather than the people who share 0% of the same views.
Correct, because those differences are irreconcilable. I can ally with lefties that want slightly different things, but “America is evil therefore Stalin wasn’t that bad” is not someone grounded in reality.

Don’t take this as Stalin defending, but if you are trying to accomplish movements to the Left and both Person A and Person B want Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, and Person C wants literal fascism, is Person B being a Stalin defender worth creating a 3 way battle when people who identify with C far outnumber A and B combined currently? That seems to go against what is strategically necessary in the US, at least.

I think it’s more important to build a cohesive worker movement that’s as large as possible before we move on to discussing Marxism vs Anarchism vs some other flavor of Leftism, at least in the US.

History shows that allying with authoritarians rarely works out for those who don't want authoritarianism.

Sure. But if you have to pick between a 3 way fight and a 2 way fight, it is easier to convince someone with 94% shared views while allying with them than it is to win a 3 way fight.

A united front is the only way to get Socialism in the US.

Yeah because it’s historically been REALLY easy to get rid of authoritarian allies once a semblance of victory is achieved 🙄

Also, for a left libertarian (aka an anti-authoritarian leftist), the authoritarianism itself is a huge part of the problem.

Personally, I’m not a fan of people being murdered for trying to unionize like fascists would, but I’m also not a fan of people being murdered for NOT unionizing like stalinists would.

I don’t think you’ll find many people advocating for either of those positions outside the most fringe of fringe.

Clearly you’ve not met a lot of tankies.

Not to worry though: since you’re on Lemmy you’re bound to meet far too many of them sooner rather than later!

On the nose! Capitalism always devolves to authoritarian or fascistic systems when left to it’s own devices. Broken by anticompetitive behavior. And Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism start there. Going from one to the other is a lateral move. Their benefits and faults are oddly similar. Despite how vehemently they despise each other. The authoritarian nature is the fault. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The authoritarian nightmare will turn on you the moment they have secured victory. It happens every time.