@esther @itgrrl hi there.

From a lecturer viewpoint I am astonished, that this is an issue and clearly shows lack of engagement on the lecturer side.

What I'm doing in these situation is being clear, that everyone is there on a voluntary basis (as all are grown ups), and thus do not have to be there. If they rather talk, they are free to leave and not steal time and ressources off people, who want to learn. If nothing changes, I'm actually throwing people out.

@esther @itgrrl it seems, like there is no awarness (or rather willingness on the lecturer side), I doubt you can change that point.

From a "Teilhabe" perspective you might have some leverage via your "Gleichstellungsbeauftragte" or "Behindertenbeauftragte".

You might have diagnoses, that allow for accomodation (more time, quite rooms, rooms for you alone, etc.), you should definitly use these.

But this might also be an issue of your faculty. As we are also accomodating people not having

@kathol @esther @itgrrl I'd like to add that it could nevertheless be worth talking to the lecturer. From my experience some of them just try to manage their own annoyance, thinking the students as an assumedly homogeneous group are ok with the situation and regulating would just be weird. Shows a lack of teaching skills of course and they shouldn't need the extra info from a student etc.