XatolosIt could soon be illegal to publicly wear a mask for health reasons in NC
intelisenseWhat if you are severely immuno-compromised during a pandemic? Just die, I suppose?
Better that than to hurt the feelings of someone who cares a whole lot about people wearing masks.
But here I thought Republicans only cared about facts, not feelings. . .
For republicans, feelings are facts!
kescusayThe Republican claim on hard-nosed, reality-based reasoning is just so astoundingly mendacious. I find myself legitimately perplexed over the whole thing.
I mean, the guys who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, trickle-down economics work, ectopic pregnancies are a gift from God and mustn’t be stopped, vaccines are poisonous, life doesn’t evolve, and Donald Trump was a good president are the down-to-Earth realists? Is this performance art of some kind?
How do people like that survive to adulthood?
By not being beaten with baseball bats when they prove to be sociopathically psychotic
FubarberryFrom reading the article, I get the impression that this bill is mostly about them wanting to be able to arrest protesters who wear masks to hide their identity.
Which is still really shitty, to be clear.
Them’s the small government folks for ya…
It’s so stupid.
Like, if the protesters do something illegal (actually illegal that is) then even if they have a mask on you can arrest them and make them take it off for mugshots. Also medical masks don’t really cover enough of the face to prevent identification.
But then that wouldn’t be for health reasons, right?
Right, but any kind of “you can’t wear a mask in public” law is easily evaded if there’s a legal exception for wearing one for health reasons.
Or worse, what if you are a bit sick but need to go outside for a while? Just keep spreading the disease, I suppose?
This would be a clear violation of ones first amendment right. Say it’s your religion.
The courts have already set the precedent that there are preferred religions and religions that do not enjoy the same rights because the judges don’t believe in them. Our legal system is corrupt and unjust.
Bahnd RollardOh just call the TST for this one, even the constitutional literalists cant weasel their way out of that one.
They can, as they already have. There is no guarantee that their decisions will be consistent or intellectually sincere.
Yeah, and for some reason people are just ignoring the blatantly obvious inconsistency. It’s crazy.
Not…really? Not in this context, anyways.
You cannot compel a person to remove their hijab, anywhere in the US, for example.
WraithGearThe police can and do, which is what they are enforcing here
Yes cops are bad. We all know. You don’t fight cops at your arrest for justice. You fight in the court.
You’re missing the point entirely.
You don’t win fights against cops in court. Best case scenario, the public pays the cost to cover your suit.
But your point was that people have rights in the US. My point is a right on paper but at the discretion of the police, is in practice, not a right.
As I said, you’ve missed the point entirely.
Then what is the point?
I’ve said all I care to say. You’re being willfully ignorant. I don’t care to speak with you any further.
No, you just never had a point
Ok. Bye.
Qualified immunity called me while you wrote this. It didn’t say anything, it was too busy laughing.
That isn’t what qualified immunity is or does.
Qualified immunity more or less means that the cops can’t be held directly liable for something that the courts haven’t yet found to be wrong for a police officer to do while in the course of their duties. So, if a cop does something obviously wrong and fucked up in the course of their duties (like, say, detaining you in a car parked on railroad tracks) and you suffer injuries from it, but a court hasn’t previously found that exact situation to be a wrong thing for a police officer to do, qualified immunity prevents them from being held personally accountable. The next person who gets detained on railroad tracks is covered, but you’re shit outta luck.
I know what QI is about, the comment has more to do with fighting the cops in court when courts meet all manner of egregious police behavior with little more than stern finger wags and exasperated sighs at best (often. Very rarely, they actually do get held accountable) and endorsement at worst.
You are missing the point about the courts.
🙄 no u
clears throat it’s your religion.
Ok, what’s the next step?
I thought that said NYC at first and was confused as it’s blue, but now it makes sense
Yes, shoot me for wearing an anti-allergy mask officer. I'm begging you.
I will live like a king siphoning off your retirement pension if you shoot me for keeping pollen out of my nose.
I will live like a king siphoning off your retirement pension if you shoot me for keeping pollen out of my nose.
Good luck suing a cop. The courts have consistently ruled that they can basically do what they like and you can’t sue them for shit.
Sabata11792You know damn well police face no real consequences for their actions.
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Cops can murder people in cold blood, on camera, and suffer absolutely no consequences.
CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]No, you’re wrong.
They get a 2 week paid vacation. If they play their cards right, they can say they got PTSD and get to retire early with a pension and start over in another jurisdiction.
Don’t forget getting to keep the murder weapon despite having “PTSD” from murdering a guy.
cops don’t pay shit. it comes out of your (and your fellow citizens’) taxes.
grasshopper_mouseWould this include airplanes flying into NC? Like, if I have a layover in Charlotte and I’m only gonna be at the airport a few hours, I can’t wear a mask on the plane to Charlotte, or at the Charlotte airport? I know planes are owned by the airlines so they’re not “public”, but what about inside an airport?
RandomStickmanI can only speak from an international perspective but I've taken a plane from Canada through USA a few years ago. During that time Canada had a mask mandate so all of us have to keep our mask on from the airport all the way to boarding. However, once the cabin door closes, apparently, that's when American law kicks in. The mask mandate is lifted according to US law. Maybe US state laws work similarly?
This is more about arresting protestors
NovaPrimeYeah, ok, good luck enforcing that
They will, they will make hundreds, maybe thousands of arrests knowing full well its unconstitutional. But it’ll take a year or two to work through courts at which point the courts will be completely controlled by magats.
Disagree. Even if this goes through, it reads more like a liability waiver: it’s power is more in the chilling effect vs. actual teeth in enforcement
"For health reasons" - if that's what they choose to enforce, well then... looks like every day just became Halloween.
"No officer, Im not wearing this Ronald Reagan mask for my health, I'm celebrating Halloween" "Yes, officer, in May".
That’s fine. Wearing a mask is now a political statement which is protected free speech.
Sorry, money is speech. Now pay up.
marighostThere are active KKK chapters in NC. There is also a Proud Boys presence here (they’re known to wear masks).
I wonder, will they be exempt from this? (I know the answer, of course. Republicans will protect their own.)
My exact thought: surely they’ll be prosecuted under this law, right? Right?
Some of those that work forces…
This was actually discussed. The bill makes an exception for “members of a secret society demonstrating in public” as long as they get a permit from the police first.
Of course. Good thing those that work forces and those that burn crosses are two entirely different groups and totally do not overlap.
I was going to make a remark about how getting a permit must be really convenient, since you don’t even need to leave the office.
That is a weirdly specific phrasing
Do you have a source for this? I really wanted to make some snarky posts pointing this out, but couldn’t find mention of it in the summary of changes proposed by the bill:
It’s on the first page of the bill and runs into the second page if you open the full document.