return2ozmaAs conservatives put religion in schools, Satanists want in, too
đ˝đđđđđđđđđGotta love the Satanists. Theyâre fighting the good fight.
DaDragonAnd best of all, theyâre not even satanists. They just call themselves an edgy name
Christians donât understand that. Apparently the satanic panic never ended.
ProfessorProteusSatanic panic is their whole life. I really pity them. They live in constant fear of not only their god who supposedly âlovesâ them, but another deity who also doesnât exist.
I live with such a person and you are correct. It really is their whole life. Said person put their hands on me and tried to shout the demons out of me because I disagreed with them.
Funnily enough, no demons were forthcoming.
I don't see how it's edgy, other than it makes certain people angry. The Christian Bibles say plainly that Satan wasn't kicked into some otherworldly realm, but that earth is his domain. Satan represents the realm we can observe with the senses, and that includes churches. Certainly of the Kingdom of heaven is within, so too the Kingdom of hell. Hatefulness is a projection of the wounded child, the shame we absolutely can not bring ourselves to face - Jung called it the shadow. As we heal layers upon layers of child wounding, we grow more at peace with ourselves, and can see others' behaviors with compassion. That doesn't negate justice, and real justice seeks to heal, everyone, not just victims.
There are those who are born different or who are so wounded, perhaps they can not be healed and reintegrated into society. That doesn't mean segregation should seek to inflict further wounds, but to the contrary, could seek a humane environment. It can and has been done; but that doesn't serve the billionaire's "insert human bodies, minds and lives for money" machine, also known as capitalism.
Yep! âWhat do you call someome who believes in a literal Satan?â
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âChristian.â
Thatâs not strictly true. They donât worship Satan, or even believe in âhimâ as an entity or being, but itâs more than just getting under the skim of the churchians. They anthropomorphize the concept of Satan the archetype and learn from the philosophy of such a being as described.
Though ironically, they do appreciate one of the âevilsâ pushed by the biblical serpent: âseeking and valuing knowledgeâ, which is considered the original sin (as opposed to, say, the first murder, which happened not long after).
Iâm not for any religious discrimination.
They should all be worshipped privately and have no governmental supporting.
They should all be worshipped privately
Pretty sure the bible specifically mentions that too.
Hey, donât you go bringing the Bible into this discussion about religion!
Yeah, Republicans hate when you do that because theyâre completely unarmed!
These people are not actual religious worshippers though. This is activism. Thereâs a difference between the two groups
You say that like evangelists aren't.
Thatâs why the Church of Satan is trying this, they know it will cause outrage and people will be far more likely to ban all religion from schools than allow satanism.
Satan was the good guy.
Satan and Michael are the same being, kind of like Odin and Wodan. It just depends on the aspect invoked.
What is that from?
The Devilâs Advocate, very good movie. Al Pacino plays Lucifer and Keanu Reeves plays the lead as an attorney heâs trying to corrupt into his leadership. Also has Charlize Theron.
samus12345Satanist donât actually want in, they want religion out
Correction, they want equal religious rights for everyonem
correction: They only want in when other religions also want it.
Basically, theyâre the US military if the US military was like âhey wouldnât it be funny if we trolled them instead of bombing three hospitals?â
And Pastafarians?
PavidusAs a Satanist, I absolutely think schools should welcome your bountiful deity with open arms, so long as they feel itâs important to discuss religion in school. Preferably, we should leave that kind of personal discussion at home. That being said, I think people could really benefit from learning about âThe seven I would really rather you didnâts.â
Raâmen.
mmm pasta
Donât really need the Satanists. Just tell conservatives that anything they want to mandate that is Christian can also/ will be done for Muslims. Notice how the war on Chirstmas always heats up around the time Ramadan coincides with it?
We absolutely need the satanists they are the ones that are doing things. What are the other religions doing?
What are the other religions doing?
Trying to drag human civilization back to the bronze age
Not true! Some donât want to stop at the bronze age.
empireOfLove2ââFreedomâ of religion!â
âNo wait, not like that!!!â
âNo wait, not like that!!!â
ALQthe Temple [âŚ] named a telehealth abortion clinic after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alitoâs mom.
This is a beautifully poetic insult and I love it.
Thatâs my religious organization! Proud to be a regular donor. Highly recommend everyone joins and donates, theyâre truly doing great work
DannyMacFor a moment I thought you were going to say âdoing Godâs workâ
I was going to say doing Satanâs work, but weâre actually nontheists
Iâm Christian, but have given them money.
Separating church and state makes better government AND better churches.
For real. Iâm not religious but about the only to make people dislike waking up early on Sunday to go to church more is associating with Congress.
Good on you. Itâs always refreshing to hear from Christian folks who have a strong enough moral compass to steer away from (let alone actively support direct opponents of) some of the more zealous or bigoted views which unfortunately seem to be growing stronger in the Christian community as of late.
I say this from the outside looking in, as Iâve never been associated with any church myself, so this viewpoint of mine may just be the result of an increasingly active vocal minority.
But Iâm very curious to hear your experience as someone within the community; have you yourself seen growth in these types of zealous or bigoted views in the past several years within the Christian Community? Things like stronger, more vocal, or even unwavering support of anti-abortion or anti-LGBTQ laws/practices?
Iâm a United Methodist and former clergy, and the last 5 years have been whiplash.
Weâve spent 50 years trying to make the denomination more inclusive and accepting towards homosexuals, but for some organizational reasons (primarily a heavy-African vote in the worldwide governing body of the church) itâs been difficult, and the more âtraditionalâ wing of the church has been dragging us backwards.
We have our global conference (basically the legislative session of the church) every 4 years. In 2012 it got very heated. In 2016 the debate got downright nasty to the point where they had to calm a special session just to debate homosexuality in 2019 simply so the church could move on with the rest of the conference.
2019 was really, really bad. The traditionalists got their way on every issue.
The biggest blow was changing how church trials worked. As it was, âpracticingâ homosexuals were barred from the clergy, and officiating over a gay marriage was a de-frockable offense under church law. But that wasnât that bad in reality, because Methodist Clergy are very educated and overwhelmingly disagreed with the rules, so when it came to a church trial the jury (made up of other clergy) refused to punish. In 2019, they changed the rule to remove clergyâs option to not punish.
The only ray of hope was the recommendation of a path to allow individual churches to leave the church but keep their land. It was basically the admission that the church was going to go through a schism. It looked for all the world that those who wanted to be more inclusive would have to start a new denomination.
But then the weirdest thing happened.
The ultra-conservatives were still mad even though theyâd won. They were so mad, in fact, that they wanted to get rid of those who had opposed them. But there was no way to kick out churches who werenât controlled by Fox News. So they huffed and puffed and got so angry they decided to start their own super-bigoted Republican church anyway. They called it the Global Methodist Church since they figured the rest of the world would follow them and they left the denomination starting in 2021 when the path for disaffiliation opened up. In all, they got about a quarter of the US churches - mostly small rural churches that depended heavily on funding from the larger organization they were leavingâŚ
A few weeks ago the 2024 conference was held. Due to Vivid it was the first real conference weâd had since 2016.
Gay marriage, gay clergy, and accepting homosexuality as being a-OK all passed with over 90% support. Everyone who had voted against it before had either left the denomination or been so repulsed by the fringe actors who had that they changed their position.
Itâs been a ride.
Wow. Yeah that sounds like a rough ride, Iâm sorry you and so many others were dragged through the coals like that for so long. It sounds like things were at a point where a split like that was probably necessary unfortunately, maybe even entirely unavoidable from the sound of it.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and congratulations on a more unified (and moral) stance on these issues. I hope your church can finally and more easily move forward without the weight of the interference and influence these fringe actors had in the past several years.
I broke down in tears when the changes passed. Just a few years ago we were positive weâd have to leave the denomination to get change, but then the bad actors left instead, so the thousands of congregations âin the middleâ that didnât want to leave their historic denomination didnât have to, so in the end way more churches are officially accepting of homosexuality.
The new rule for marriage is 2 consenting adults, where it used to be a man and a woman. So we also managed to officially prohibit child marriage in the church. On the US side that was mostly from high school kids getting married because the girlfriend got pregnant. The church will no longer recognize or participate in those marriages.
It also clarifies that clergy are free to perform or refuse to perform any marriage ceremony of 2 consenting adults, so homophobic clergy arenât required to perform the ceremony. Iâm fine with that, because a preacher performing a wedding should support the marriage, and a gay couple should know that the person performing the ceremony is supportive of the union.
I can only imagine the feeling of having such a weight lifted off your shoulders and conscience. It must feel almost like a fresh start, because in a way it is. Or at least thatâs how it sounds to me, being able to progress in a meaningful way without such major hindrances.
Iâm glad to hear you got to see such a favourable outcome after such a long and turbulent period, and Iâm genuinely happy for you and your church, that you get to make progress in making your community better for everyone. It sounds like you all have the best of things to look forward to already, but I wish you all the best anyway.
Good news has been a bit hard to come by lately, so itâs extraordinarily refreshing to hear some for a change. So cheers, and thanks again for sharing.
based satanic temple.
Fuck church of satan, apparently TST leader/s is/are a somewhat shitty person? IDK, havenât looked, donât care, the temple collectively is still pretty based though.
FUCK YEAH!!! PRAISE SATAN!!!
Fair is fair right? Or let me guess, not like that?
Not like that. Itâs HAIL SATAN
Lol, ty
Jo MiranThe Satanic Temple doesnât not worship Satan. It even says so in the article. They are not âsatanistsâ.
This is the way. We need a religion to rally around to push a left agenda the way the right does. They want to twist the constitution by manipulating their beliefs to their agenda, so can we.
Good. Hail Satan and teach kids about all religions or none.
That Baphomet statue is totally awesome!
LerajeIâm a Satanist and affiliated with neither CoS or TST. The leadership of TST are not good people. One of them tried to make himself the god of a cargo cult and the other has a history of making racist, antisemitic and ablist statements. He also owned a website about eugenics until 2018.
That video I linked to is long but it is very well sourced and I hope might give you a bit more insight into who youâre supporting if you choose to join or donate to them. Thereâs a lot of comments under the video from ex-TST members, including Ministers and Chapter Heads whoâve been badly burnt by TST.
THE LIES OF THE SATANIC TEMPLE
Up voting for linking to Dead Domain. Itâs a good video with a lot of time taken to go over the various issues. Certainly doesnât cover absolutely everything, but does a good job showing why TST ends up being more marketing than actual good.
A less problematic Satanist org fighting the good fight would be nice
Thatâs interesting! How many child rapists have they protected?
Are you suggesting that someones potential for child rape is the only metric we should look at when determining someones decency?
No. They are saying if group A, who has a long history of widespread pedophilia protection is going to get in, group B, whoâs biggest issues are these, isnât worth proactively trying to stop group b, especially when they both align on the principal at hand.
My take on that is that is that its entirely possible to disagree with and not support any number of bad groups. I definitely wouldnât want my kids exposed to either group.
The issues raised in this story are to do with education, but the issues with both groups are concerning and go beyond education. Iâm not sure not opposing one of them because theyâre not as established as the other or less awful than the other is really valid. Being less awful is not equal to not awful at all.
They donât want to be their either, the point is to force the stateâs hand to either back off on religion in school, or have them pass unarguably unconstitutional laws and then rake them over it. There is also no perfect hero, or solution, so I am willing to not appose an organization that is working towards getting both parties kicked out, despite being run by assholes. They are just assholes, the other are monsters.
No, theyâre not just assholes. If they were just that, nobody would give a shit. I understand what you think theyâre doing and I understand why you think itâs a good thing. As I said to someone else, thereâs literally no way for anyone to summarise everything. You can either watch it or not, I canât make you.
Itâs an oddity of the whole situation that 90% of the âordinaryâ members of TST are good people who want good things, but the owners of TST (and they are the owners, TST is also a registered business as well as a tax-exempt religion) are really not and they have absolute control over it.