US Lemmys what could Biden do in the next 6 months to EARN your vote? (other than just not being Trump)

https://lemm.ee/post/32022349

US Lemmys what could Biden do in the next 6 months to EARN your vote? (other than just not being Trump) - lemm.ee

Sorry this is kinda political. Is there an asklemmypolitics group this would be better for? I’m hoping not to get into the libs vs progressives political debate we see everywhere on here… Just want to know what people are actually looking for.

Non-US guy here. I don’t get why there’s a choice whether to vote for him or not, when you know the alternative is Trump.

It’s clear Biden isn’t a great option, and there’s probably plenty of reasons not to want him. But is any of those reasons gonna get better in the next 4 years when his opponent would win?

That attitude only leads to worse and worse candidates in a spiral to the bottom

That’s assuming there will even be candidates in the future.

In previous elections, I would have agreed with you, but Trump has already tried to destroy democracy once. I honestly don’t think that democracy will survive a second Trump term.

What if the “democracy” we think we have is actually just oligarchy putting on a show… And the only way to really get a democracy is if we fight for it, and Trump gets the fight going faster so we can get to democracy faster? Just a hypothetical, not advocating for this. Obviously a violent revolution would suck, especially considering the US was literally designed to make peaceful revolution relatively easy, but I think those designs have been crushed at this point… By the oligarchy

and Trump gets the fight going faster so we can get to democracy faster?

How exactly do you think authoritarianism will lead to a collapse, and how will that collapse lead to democracy somehow winning out? Allowing fascists to take over just means we now live in a fascist society. When Germany turned fascist, they didn’t magically break up and become a shining example of democracy. It took serious external pressure for that to happen. Revolutions usually just change the power structure among those who were already in power-- they don’t suddenly grant power to the little guys. Even if, by some miracle, the US went full Nazi and didn’t just stay that way but somehow immediately collapsed, and hundreds of thousands died in a giant civil war and/or WWIII, and we don’t nuke each other off the face of the planet so hard it’s unrecoverable, you expect democracy will be the result? Why? How can you be sure?

TL;DR: Voting for a fascist won’t cause a collapse and a collapse won’t result in democracy, with any degree of guarantee.

PLEASE actually think these things through instead of just throwing out ideas like this, because if people start to actually believe this we’re going to be in an INCREDIBLY dangerous situation (moreso than we already are!) and the entire world will suffer for it.