Christina WarrenMay 11, 2024
Watching Linux distros (and yes, it is usually Debian packagers who act the most sanctimonious) shoot themselves in the face and then insult upstream AND the users of a popular package under the delusion that only the distro's self-declared experts are capable of making decisions is always a good reminder as to why you will never be able to waterboard me into using Linux as my primary desktop. Very sorry this is happening Team KeePassXC. https://fosstodon.org/@keepassxc/112417353193348720
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@film_girl what does this even have to do with ā€œusing Linux as my primary desktopā€, smh
May 11, 2024 at 4:43pmWeb
Show threadJes Moved to @[email protected]May 11, 2024
@luana @film_girl if you don't want the disadvantages of the distro package that's literally the point of flatpak/appimage or whatever
so like I don't get the argument.
seems to be completely unrelated jab just to piss off linux users ā€‹ā€‹
Show threadChristina WarrenMay 11, 2024
@Jessica @luana If some Linux users are so illiterate and lacking in cognitive abilities that they canā€™t read a post that is very obviously and unambiguously opinonated and about the author and author only (I said you couldnā€™t waterboard me into using Linux as my primary desktop, I didnā€™t say anything about anyone else) without getting pissed off, thatā€™s on them.
Show threadJes Moved to @[email protected]May 11, 2024
@film_girl @luana but I mean you used an excuse to not use linux that doesn't exist
Show threadChristina WarrenMay 11, 2024
@Jessica @luana but it does exist. Your solution of app image or flat or snap doesnā€™t cover everything. It also ignores the past 25+ years of distros insisting they package everything. And I appreciate that commitment and consistency on the server. On the desktop, I have better things to do than fight with my distro over what version and what source of a package I can install. But all of this is my opinion. I donā€™t know why you are arguing with me over what I choose to use as my primary OS.
Show threadJes Moved to @[email protected]May 11, 2024
@film_girl @luana I'm not arguing over what you choose to use as a primary OS
I'm taking an issue with the fact that your argument still doesn't make any sense in this case.
I don't use Linux as my primary OS either and I can see straight through your argument. distros like ubuntu use snaps whenever possible anyways so "distro maintainers insist they package everything" isn't even true for the most popular linux distribution.
Show threadChristina WarrenMay 11, 2024
@Jessica putting aside the fact that there arenā€™t snaps or flatpaks or appimages for everything (not even close), and that those formats have their own problems, the most popular Ubuntu derivatives (Mint, Pop!_OS) donā€™t use snaps and are actively anti-snap (you have to install snapd yourself)! So no, distros very much want to control packaging and yes that includes Ubuntu. And the person who made this particular decision for Debian works at Canonical.
Show threadJes Moved to @[email protected]May 11, 2024
@film_girl if a company truly wanted control over all their packages they could simply not allow those containers
and all of this is a non-issue anyways because you just download the full version from the debian repos. all they did was seperate a lite version for higher security and a full version for people who want the full version.
debian has always intentionally shipped light versions of the packages.
this is nothing new to do with debian.
I do think they could've handled it better IMO but at the same time I also don't think it's that big a deal ā€‹ā€‹ debian is for experienced users and ubuntu is for noobs.
Show threadChristina WarrenMay 11, 2024
@Jessica Iā€™ve been using Linux and Debian longer than you have been alive, so you should really stop with the attitude that I donā€™t know what Iā€™m talking about and that you somehow know better. You disagree with one of the reasons why I donā€™t use Linux as a primary desktop OS. Fine. But miss me with trying to act as if I donā€™t know how packaging works in this ecosystem. I do know how it works. My whole point was that that system is one of the reasons *I* donā€™t use Linux as my primary.
Show threadChristina WarrenMay 11, 2024
@Jessica I read your edited post after I sent my reply. I donā€™t think you actually grasp the problem with this change. It actively broke the program for users who rely on things like YubiKey support. There isnā€™t a notification beyond the NEWS file, so upstream has to handle. And Ubuntu, Mint, Pop and others adopt the Debian apt repo. So this will trickled down. A snap or flatpak or appimage isnā€™t a solution when downstream actively breaks a package for users.
Show threadJes Moved to @[email protected]May 11, 2024
@film_girl that's the problem that upstream container formats solve ā€‹ā€‹
Show threadKg. Madee ā…”.May 11, 2024
@Jessica @film_girl also, in the current case: use the stable branch, precisely zero drama.
Show threadChristina WarrenMay 11, 2024
@luana because for me, itā€™s yet another reminder of what a toxic clusterfuck and anti-user hellscape desktop Linux distros are, which means that for ME (the only person Iā€™m speaking for), outside from my Steam Deck, I donā€™t run Linux as my primary desktop, even when Iā€™m ideologically aligned.