#hottakejubilee

Many people are saying the Jerry Garcia Band is better than the Grateful Dead. More and more people are saying this, and JGB has been getting attention and has been doing very well.

My question is: How can the Grateful Dead be the Greatest American Rock band if they aren’t even the best American Rock Band with Jerry Garcia?

Nobody makes a similar argument about TAB v. phish.

Therefore, once again, I am correct: Phish is the Greatest American Rock band.

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@maxellxlii90 Phish has maybe a dozen great songs, about thirty good ones, and maybe fifty okay ones. The dead have the best song catalog in existence (yes overall I prefer it to Dylan's since it includes many of his best) and one of the greatest interpreters of song as a front man. Plus they invented the world Phish lives in. It's a fun take, but it won't land that way historically.

@mrcompletely I think in the long run, Jerry and Hunter will be keepers of the Great American Songbook, alongside Dylan. But in terms of a “band” as a specific unit, and what a “band” sets out to do when they form, and what Phish has accomplished… if you are a new American rock band, how could you want anything less than what Phish accomplished?

Unfortunately, the consistent loss of band members hurts the GD here. All four members Phish still being alive after 40 years gives them an advantage.

@maxellxlii90 I just don't agree with that either. I think the transpersonal gestalt nature of the group, the fact that the GD were a *family* that extended beyond the band members, and one that changed over time but kept the same core, is more interesting and more powerful.

The next actually great rock band will certainly, like GD/Ph, not be thinking of their future or path in terms of any other band but only in their own terms. That's why all jam bands are boring. They'll never be anything.

@mrcompletely I think this take relegates Phish as a footnote/followup GD act and they are so much more.
@maxellxlii90 I really don't mean it that way. I feel like Garcia and the dead left a lot of unfinished business, a lot of cards left unplayed, a lot of paths started but left incomplete. But Phish didn't try to pick up anyone else's thing. They did their own thing, and it led them to some of the areas where there was unfinished business, and they carried some of those things forward. Then, critically, Trey passed the test Garcia couldn't and got himself clean. So they've had this extra time.
@maxellxlii90 I don't feel like I'm expressing it very well, but to me this is an important idea. There is an unbroken chain of similarity between them, an underground stream that runs through both: the idea that music can unify and transform in a much more immediate and real way than weak metaphorical platitudes about "the power of music" convey. I thought that died with Garcia and I found that deeply tragic. But it didn't at all. So I could never downplay the band that's made that happen
@mrcompletely I agree with everything you said. I am not trying to downplay the legacy or importance of the Grateful Dead. I am being pedantic around the concept of a “band”. To my mind, the ability to stay together and avoid interpersonal conflict as well as health issues - this matters, and it’s what has given Phish the extra time. There is also no replaceable member of phish. It’s a unique chemistry and Trey can’t get “there” without three specific people. Jerry could, which made him special.