American wanting to move abroad, what's the best bet for an registered nurse?

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American wanting to move abroad, what's the best bet for an registered nurse? - Lemmy.World

Hi there, I’m a registered nurse in Phoenix, Arizona and I’m seriously considering moving abroad because this country is driving me insane for a lot of reasons. I was considering moving to Israel since I’m Jewish and I’ve heard they have a better healthcare system there and pay nurses well but this war has made me not really consider that anymore, so I’m open to suggestions. Thanks

Thoughts on New Zealand or Austrailia?
I know nothing about them. I’d have to read up on them, like quality of life, safety, level of antisemitism, etc
Nz is more tolerant to different cultures, Australia offers a higher pay and lower living costs. However as a American they will not see you as much as an outsider.
Interesting, I have heard AUS has like the highest quality of life on Earth so that does make it somewhat appealing. That and the good weather.
Australia also has yearly floods, wildfires or tornadoes depending on the area. And the wildlife will try to kill you.
As an Aussie, I can say the trope of “everything wants you dead” is highly overhyped. I’ve seen three venomous snakes in the wild in my life (and I’ve mostly lived in rural areas) and there’s a couple of venomous spiders, but none that will kill you (unless you’re very young, very old, or very sick). Blue-ringed octopuses, crocodiles and sharks exist, but rarely cause human deaths. You know what we don’t have? Bears. Alligators. Cougars. Wolves. Very few carnivores trying to eat humans here, it’s mostly creatures with excellent self-defense mechanisms.

You know what we don’t have? Bears. Alligators. Cougars. Wolves.

Because they all got killed by box jellyfish, venomous spiders or drop bears!

Damn I forgot about the dropbears. Keep your wits about you and you’ll usually be OK, plus we teach kids to stay in pairs if they’re passing through a eucalyptus area.

here in NZ I’d say we are much more progressive than the states, although we have a centre right government at the moment.

you will earn less than the US I would think, but I would hope that our quality of life is better.

Safety? not every second person is carrying a sidearm or protesting with an AR style firearm

Yeah a lack of gun culture would be a huge plus for me. I’ll def look into NZ
You guys also have a wayyyy better version of Taskmaster than the garbage we got in the US which is pretty cool
Oh no. I’ve watched All but an episode or 2 of the new series for UK, and all of Australia, and New Zealand. I’m assuming there is a reason I had no idea there is an American version

The American version failed miserably in so many ways.

I like Reggie Watts but he was either the wrong choice for Taskmaster or he just didn’t understand the role. It didn’t help that Alex Horne reprised his role as an assistant and there was just…zero chemistry. The NZ and Aus versions have a different dynamic than Greg/Alex but they do seem to get along. Alex seemed very out of place with Reggie…almost like a British butler stereotype. I don’t know how to describe it.

I thought the cast choice was bad, too. There was no one notable and their personalities weren’t quite as varied as other series. I won’t say who but there was also one who I consider to the worst contestant of any series ever by a wiiiide margin. Didn’t have an opinion on them before but now I can’t stand them.

Lastly, the pacing felt so…off. The episodes were half as long and while you’d think that might make for tighter comedy, I remember being so bored watching it. There was basically no banter at all. You never “got to know” the contestants and I didn’t feel the desire to look them up like I did with a lot of the UK/NZ/AUS cast.

It’s not even worth watching to understand what I mean. I strongly encourage you to just forget it exists.

Thanks for the reply! Will be giving it a pass

Sorry if this seems lazy, but Canada has a decent population of Jews. Since you are a nurse, you have a better chance of getting in. Obviously there’s a ton of paperwork involved, but might be worth looking into.

If you speak French, France might also be a good choice. Hella good worker’s rights there.

Not to brag but I speak French, Hebrew and German alongside English.

Yeah I’ve heavily considered Canada though ironically it seems they’re going to elect their own Trump and might become more like the US. Still, I’m seriously considering it.

Not a brag, your languages very relevant to finding a new place to live.

I wish good folks would stay and fight. But at the same time, I don’t blame anyone for leaving.

Yeah part of me wants to help make PHX more liberal, but another part of me just wants to get out.
I get it. I have friends and family who want to emigrate if orange idiot gets elected.
Yeah I mean I’m a woman so the fact he wants to end abortion rights once and for all alone makes me want to leave…
I’m hopeful–perhaps naively so–that he’s pissed off most of the women voters and he will lose. The justice system is taking way too long to put him in prison where he belongs.
Totally on your side there

Worth noting that the Prime Minister does not have the same executive powers as the President. If Polivere actually wins a majority of seats (unlikely), he’ll still have to work with everyone else to get things done.

It’s more likely the conservatives will win just enough seats to have to run a minority government and work with the Liberals, NDP, BQ and possibly Greens. And I don’t see the current conservative party surviving more than one election cycle.

French and German? Definitely Switzerland then!
about France, she may disagree with you : www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4w3Ljn6ks
Manifestation de soignants à Paris : «On est en train de nous écraser», confie une jeune infirmière

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Well in France they need police armed with machine guns to guard synagogues so probably not the best choice for me.

that’s the army, not the police.

yes, they became an awkward part of the daily life in cities since the bataclan attack. see Vigipirate. But they are not particularly guarding synagogues. You can see them in front of churches or in train stations or touristic and popular places too.

if you needed to add “leftist” to your name, i suppose you’re familiar with The Society of the Spectacle. They are not there to protect you, they’re there to make you feel protected (worse, to make you feel like you need constant protection!)

Vigipirate - Wikipedia

Damn if the army is needed, its even worse than I thought. I guess I’ll have to pass on France

it’s probably not as bad as you think.

Why the panic mode?

I mean if the army needs to be stationed on the streets for safety, then thats bad.

The Society of the Spectacle

how do you pass any law that infringes on previously earned rights if you don’t create a sense of urgency?

The Society of the Spectacle - Wikipedia

Canada is a pretty good market for nurses.
I guess I can become a Canadian of convenience :P
I’m also an American who moved to Canada - I did that because my wife lives up here but I’ve found it an extremely welcoming culture.
Personally, as a fellow Jewish leftist I’d advise against moving to Israel. If you think politics are toxic here (maybe I’m reading into what you mean by things driving you insane), Israel is much worse. I’m not sure which countries have the easiest visa process but you probably have some flexibility as an RN. You could look into a travel nurse job that lets you move across Europe and try a few different places out.

By driving me insane, I was in fact referring to the rightward drift of the US. And I don’t just mean Trump, but the entire GOP and the fact the only opposition to them is the limp centrist Democratic Party. So yeah, Israel is probably much worse post 10/7.

Europe would be cool, Germany especially though I’ve heard its less safe now.

If you’re concerned about a rightward drift, you’re not going to like many places in Europe. I also wouldn’t leave a country because of a temporary political shift. America’s left is more powerful now than it’s been in close to 100 years and it’s only growing with the next generation. If politics is the main reason you want to leave, I’d seriously encourage you to rethink things. That seems very shortsighted, especially given the political tide in Europe.
Is Europe going further right than the US?
no
Socially it is moving pretty fast to the right in many places. They still have trains and healthcare. For now. Most US cities are as left leaning as Europe is.
Than the US? Eastern Europe, sure. A lot of the rest is heading in the wrong direction, whereas the US seems to be moving in the right (left) direction.
The US is moving to the left?
Have you met a gen Z kid? The most conservative Americans are dying off and religion is TANKING at a record pace.
I hope you’re right
The trick is waiting for Boomers to die. This is where your nursing skills can really pay off…
They cant die soon enough lol
isn’t nursing kinda working against the whole dying thing?
Not when it’s done badly. I believe there was one on the front page of Lemmy just this morning.
If by Eastern Europe you mean Belarus and Hungary, maybe.

This isn’t the impression that I get about the US at all.

The conservative movement is stronger than ever. Half the country wants to install a conservative dictator?

Youth have always been left leaning. For every Gen Z vegan pouting about climate change there’s a thirty something that just bought their own home and decided that things are “ok just as they are”.

Since the advent of social media politics across the globe has been sliding to the right and I don’t see that trajectory changing in the imminent future.

As a millennial 30-something, my ilk are only slightly left of the older generation. Gen Z, of which I have some (in-law) siblings, is different. These are kids who saw the Trump shit, even if they didn’t totally understand it all. But it left an impression. They are also way more open minded and waaaay less religious. That alone indicates a shift left. And the old adage of shifting right in your 30s/40s has not held for millennials. Assuming it doesn’t hold for Gen X (why would it?), the US is going in a promising direction.

One problem we do have is an activation of boomer voters in response to this stuff. But y’know what Gen X has that Boomers don’t? Time.

In Germany nurses are often not well payd IMO, but there are different kinds of nurses, so idk… there are strikes in the news from time to time. … but at least it’s okay and well accepted to strike in Germany
Yeah but I guess I’d be concerned a bit about the rise of antisemitism there Ive heard about

In Germany? You'll be fine, they're very aware of the threat of antisemitism but it's not any worse than elsewhere.

Now, whether German culture is enjoyable is another question.

Well I like beer so doesn’t that make me German deep down? :p
Liking one of humanity’s oldest and most commonly drank beverages does not make you German, no
It’s as safe as it ever was and much safer than most places here in Germany. But you’ll need to speak German to get a job in the healthcare sector here. And the pay isn’t great.
I speak fluent German actually so that wouldnt be a problem