I cannot logically discuss Israel/Gaza with people who believe this atrocity began with Hamas war crimes on 10/7.

If you ignore a 60 year illegal military occupation, 700K illegal settlements, a two decade blockade, 7000 Palestinians indefinitely detained in Israeli prison w/o charge, 800 Palestinian children indefinitely detained in Israeli prison w/o charge & denied access to counsel or parents, & at least 240 Palestinians killed by IDF from 1/1-10/6/23—then you are not engaging in good faith

@QasimRashid does this mean that Hamas crimes committed on 7 October could be ignored and completely left out of the discussion?
From the outside it seems as if liberal establishment pretends 7 October never happened
@kostiantyn @QasimRashid
Of course it happened, but it wasn't the start of things but a response relating to many decades of oppression by a much larger militarised would-be state.
@AlisonW @QasimRashid Thanks Alison. Let me ask this: do you think such a response by Hamas was justified?
And what worried me personally even more: why do you think Western societies remain silent about Hamas actions and the fact that they still hold hostages?
Genocide accusations seem to be directed only towards Israel, whereas what Hamas did on 7 October, in my understanding, falls directly under the definition of genocide.
@kostiantyn @QasimRashid
Although counting numbers isn't going to help in the long term (an eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind) the Israeli military have killed and are killing (and kidnapping and starving) many many more, including children. Living in Gaza is not a crime.
@AlisonW @QasimRashid so even though both sides have something to be blamed for, the collective West calls for Israel to stop genocide and does not demand anything from Hamas.
I cannot remember any protests in Europe / the US after 7 October. No student strikes in the US universities. Nothing.
@kostiantyn @QasimRashid
You're obviously choosing to forget all the calls on Hamas to stop because you think that Palestinians don't count. Thank you for your pov and goodbye.
@AlisonW @QasimRashid can’t understand why you think you have an ability to know what other people think

@kostiantyn @AlisonW @QasimRashid

The "collective West" does not fund Hamas, it funds Israel.

If you haven't seen condemnations of Hamas, it's because you haven't bothered to look.