I cannot logically discuss Israel/Gaza with people who believe this atrocity began with Hamas war crimes on 10/7.

If you ignore a 60 year illegal military occupation, 700K illegal settlements, a two decade blockade, 7000 Palestinians indefinitely detained in Israeli prison w/o charge, 800 Palestinian children indefinitely detained in Israeli prison w/o charge & denied access to counsel or parents, & at least 240 Palestinians killed by IDF from 1/1-10/6/23—then you are not engaging in good faith

It seems to me the current crisis is due in part from the assassination of Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin by right wing Israeli extremists. There was a legit chance for peace in 1995. Afterwards, the Palestinian and Israeli people and the whole world knew that seeking peace for any leader means risking death from internal [and external] extremists. This situation gave rise to Bibi and legitimacy for Hamas.
@space_wrangler indeed. We had a real chance at a lasting peace. A lot of people engage in the conversation with no clue of the history. How the after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the breakup of the British empire and the end of WWII left many things a mess in the Middle East. All the wars so many things happened after that. After that assassination and Hamas gaining strength rhetoric and positions have hardened. I would like to figure out a lasting peace but we are not close.
@imbou
How could Palestinians trust an Israeli leader to deliver? Rabin sincerely tried.
@space_wrangler or vice versa. Begin and Sadat did do a peace after many years of war. I am hoping maybe this tragedy can maybe change things.
@imbou @space_wrangler not with Bibi in charge trying to save his corrupt ass by slaughter.