miskStack Overflow bans users en masse for rebelling against OpenAI partnership — users banned for deleting answers to prevent them being used to train ChatGPT
RookiIf this is true, then we should prepare to be shout at by chatgpt why we didnt knew already that simple error.
snekerpimpChatGPT now just says “read the docs!” To every question
And then links to a similar sounding but ultimately totally unrelated site.
Stack overflow was the pioneer of hallucinations.
DaveHey ChatGPT, how can I …
“Locking as this is a duplicate of [unrelated question]”
Chatgpt is going to get trained on thinking those two questions are duplicates and end up giving bullshit outdated answers to every question.
Honestly, that wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
Already had that happen with perplexity, like, no mate, I’m asking you.
Nah, it just marks your question as duplicate.
Always love those answers, well if you read the 700 page white paper on this one command set in one module then you would understand… do you think I have the time to read 37000 pages of bland ass documentation yearly on top of doing my actual job? Come the fuck on.
I guess some of these guys have so many heads on their crews that they don’t have much work to do anymore but that’s not the case for most
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You joke.
This would have been probably early last year? Had to look up how to do something in fortran (because fortran) and the answer was very much in the voice of that one dude on the Intel forums who has been answering every single question for decades(?) at this point. Which means it also refused to do anything with features newer than 1992 and was worthless.
Tried again while chatting with an old work buddy a few months back and it looks like they updated to acknowledging f99 and f03 exist. So assume that was all stack overflow.
Welp.
cOlLaBoRatiOn
HypxEventually, we will need a fediverse version of StackOverflow, Quora, etc.
ThomasThose would be harvested to train LLMs even without asking first. 😐
sramderAt this point I’m assuming most if not all of these content deals are essentially retroactive. They already scrapped the content and found it useful enough to try and secure future use, or at least exclude competitors.
Ricky RigatoniThey scraped the content, liked the results, and are only making these deals because it’s cheaper than getting sued.
Can they really sue (with a chance of winning) if you scrape content that’s submitted by users? That’s insane.
But users and instances would be able to state that they do not want their content commercialized. On StackOverflow you have no control over that.
You can state what you don’t want, but no one will be paying attention. Except maybe the LLM reading your posts…
Yup. Laws are only suggestions until you get caught.
I suspect it isn’t illegal.
linearchaosHonestly? I’m down with that. And when the LLM’s end up pricing themselves out of usefulness, we’ll still have the fediverse version. Having free sites on the net with solid crowd-sourced information is never a bad thing even if other people pick up the data and use it.
It’s when private sites like Duolingo and Reddit crowd source the information and then slowly crank down the free aspect that we have the problems.
The Ad sponsored web model is not viable forever.
The Ad sponsored web model is not viable forever.
a thousand times this
chameleonSO already was. Not even harvested as much as handed to them. Periodic data dumps and a general forced commitment to open information were a big part of the reason they won out over other sites that used to compete with them. SO most likely wouldn't have existed if Experts Exchange didn't paywall their entire site.
As with everything else, AI companies believe their training data operates under fair use, so they will discard the CC-SA-4.0 license requirements regardless of whether this deal exists. (And if a court ever finds it's not fair use, they are so many layers of fucked that this situation won't even register.)
Assuming the federated version allowed contributor-chosen licenses (similar to GitHub), any harvesting in violation of the license would be subject to legal action.
Contrast that with Stack Exchange, where I assume the terms dictated by Stack Exchange deprive contributors of recourse.
I’d rather the harvesting be open to all than only the company hosting it.
Smells too much like duo-lingo. Here, everyone jump in and answers all the questions. 5 years later, ohh look at this gold mine of community data we own…
This was actually the whole original point of Duolingo. The founder previously created Recaptcha to crowd source machine vision of scanned books.
His whole thing is crowd sourcing difficult tasks that machines struggle with by providing some sort of reason to do it (prevent spam at first and learn a language now)
From what I understand Duolingo just got too popular and the subscription service they offer made them enough money to be happy with.
Duolingo has been systematically enshittifying the free/ad supported service. Now every time you fart, you get a big unskippable ad trying to get you to subscribe to their service for free for 14 days without telling you the price. They took all that crowdsourced data that weren’t going to profit off of and are making the app a miserable experience without it.
Avid AmoebaOh this looks decent. British non-profit, I like it. Registering.
We needed it a few years ago.
Can we pass on quora?
Federated yahoo answers.
how is feddi formed
Arguably, they need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys. becuse these babby cant frigth back?
It’s important to remember that it was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids.
Too much, can’t figure it out
Hey, early Yahoo answers was very useful. A de-shittified, federated, stripped down to the bare questions-answers could be neat.
10 POINTS!!
Everything you write on here is public. There’s nothing stopping anyone from using that data for training
Yeah but didn’t you see the sovereign citizens who think licenses are magic posting giant copyright notices after their posts? Lol
It’s so childish, ai tools will help billions of the poorest people access life saving knowledge and services, help open source devs like myself create tools that free people from the clutches of capitalism, but they like living in a world of inequity because their generational wealth earned from centuries of exploitation of the impoverished allows them a better education, better healthcare, and better living standards than the billions of impoverished people on the planet so they’ll fight to maintain their privilege even if they’re fighting against their own life getting better too. The most pathetic thing is they pretend to be fighting a moral crusade, as if using the answers they freely posted and never expected anything in return for is a real injustice!
And yes I know people are going to pretend that they think tech bros won’t allow poor people to use their tech and they base this on assuming how everything always works will suddenly just flip Into reverse at some point or something? Like how mobile phones are only for rich people and only rich people can sell via the internet and only rich people can start a YouTube channel…
We already have the SO data. We could populate such a tool with it and start from there.
kubicaI'm going to run out of sites at this pace.
Right? It seems like the modern internet is made up of like 5 monolithic sites, and unlimited SEO spam.
I know that’s not literally true, but it sure feels like it.
FaceDeerFortunately the AIs are getting quite good at answering technical questions like these.
Aren’t a lot of answers outdated on stackoverflow?
gregorumYou are now banned from stackoverflow
And if you try to delete your comment, you’ll be DOUBLE BANNED.
UndulyUnrulyThe AI predicted your intent and TRIPLEBANNED you prophylacticly.
Stackoverflow has a thoughtcrimes department now?
Triple Banned? That’s a paddlin’.
prophylacticly
I like how this implies that there’s a looming disease that they need to stave off. Oh, no, the disease of people not taking your shit!
Half the time I look on stack overflow it feels like the answer is irrelevant by todays standards
That’s what happens when new posts aren’t allowed to exist if it asks a similar question to an old one.
This question is deleted for off topic
The new questions were just all duplicates.
The AssmanNo no, jquery is the answer to all your ui needs
This sort of thing is so self-sabotaging. The website already has your comment, and a license to use it. By deleting your stuff from the web you only ensure that the AI is definitely going to be the better resource to go to for answers.