Augie RayMay 7, 2024
"I'm so angry at Biden over Isreal/Gaza that I'm going to help Trump destroy democracy, weaponize the Justice system, send millions to deportation camps, lower the taxes on the wealthy and shift the burden to the middle class, cut Social Security, track and prosecute women having abortions, pardon the people who violently attacked Capitol police, dismantle NATO, help Russia, AND ON TOP OF ALL THAT do even more harm to Palestinians" is a take--it's just a really awful take, IMO.
Show threadEvan ProdromouMay 7, 2024

@augieray

"I support this war so much that I'm going to ignore the position of the vast majority of my constituents and party members even though it endangers our chances of re-election in the Fall" is also a take.

Show threadmav May 7, 2024

@evan @augieray I don't think that's really the case though, especially at the high level; if Biden openly defies Israel, a huge amount of party support and international community support will vanish.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, this problem is very high level. You can't oppose Israel and win swing states, and you can't oppose Israel and continue to get funding. That's the level this problem is at.

Show threadIsaac Freeman
@mav I don't think he needs to shift position very much, because defying Netanyahu is not the same thing as defying Israel. He can maintain a basically Zionist position and still say that Netanyahu has betrayed the values of Israel, that he will not support a genocide in its name, and so on. I don't think it's that hard when the alternative is another Trump presidency.
@evan @augieray
May 8, 2024 at 1:28amWeb