How do you handle family requests that you disagree with?

https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/post/962451

How do you handle family requests that you disagree with? - PopTalk

Interesting problem here. So I self host jellyfin, happy to share my (owned) movies with my family. Well, my mother has asked me to digitize her collection too and have me host it. Originally, fine, you give your movies to me, I host them, same thing. However, what I didn’t bet on was the amount of garbage, terrible movies she would give me. There’s a few that are fine, but the vast majority are, well I’ll just put it bluntly, christian propaganda. I don’t think any of them are as terrible as some of the worst case, but think “My life was horrible until I found god now look and see how fulfilled I am” type propaganda - and they make for horrible plots. Not that I keep only top tier movies in my libraries, but these are, well they just bring a pit to my stomach. What would you do in my situation? (And I’m going to go ahead and say the pure atheist comments aren’t needed, yes of course I could burn them, or dance around them, but I’m not looking to just burn the bridge between my mother and myself over a lifetime of her indoctrination and bad taste in movies). I’m more looking for generic, how do you handle your users asking you to put content you don’t find appealing on your server?

I mean, you don’t have to watch it.
I don’t like hosting things I disagree with for others to view and consume
Ive not shared mine to the point anyone can arbitrarily get media. They have to ask. And I can always say “Oh its not available on my sources” or whatever
hindsight is 20/20 there, yeah, wish I hadn’t done this. To others, this is the best approach, don’t accept it in the first place
I don’t have this problem exactly, but what I would recommend is putting it in a specific separate library. You could even set it up so only your mother’s account can access it, and you never have to see it, or you could have it visible but never go to it.
Would probably do this, but also rip it in very poor quality to be sure it does not take too much space :D
Malicious compliances in action.

Lol go the old school yify method. 700mb h.264 encode.

Enjoy your 7 pixels!

This is a good idea, and an approach I’m going to think about and probably take. Then it’s away from everything else, and not polluting my actual good movies.

Do one of the following:

  • Tell your mother you’re not comfortable hosting that type of content as a non-believer.
  • Lie and hand back the propaganda movies and say you couldn’t rip them to some unknown rip protecting they use and there’s not enough resources online to figure it out.
  • Host the content and let your mother liver her life and don’t say anything.
  • I’d personally use option 1, but you do you.

    One other option is to make a dedicated collection for those. Maybe even just name it after her, and then only share that collection with her.

    I’m not a jellyfin user (I use Plex) but I presume jellyfin has the same feature.

  • You cant host them because your heathen server catches fire every time you rip one of the movies
  • Well, my mother has asked me to digitize her collection too and have me host it. Originally, fine, you give your movies to me, I host them, same thing.

    Did your mom buy your computer and hard drives? I doubt it. You spent your own money, right? So she’s giving you a whole bunch of stuff which is consuming your space. Quote out the cost of buying components for a separate server for her with her own drives. When she buys the parts, build her her own server and put her stuff on it.

    It’s the person’s mother, and they already accepted the request. I feel like giving her a price quote is a huge jackass move.

    I’d just host them in a library only visible to mom and members that would want to view it.

    Also consider the unintentionally comedic value of such films, they’re sometimes fun to watch just because of how bad they are.

    Watch them. Start a podcast.
    Chaotic good, right there.
    Host it exclusively to her user or don’t host it at all. If you’re not going to host it, you know your mother better than any of us, so you’ll know which approach would work better.

    If its just for her, I don’t really care what content I host for family unless it straight up nazi/gay hate shit. New age “found christian” movies are massive yuck, but innocuous otherwise. She’s gonna consume them regardless of whether you host them or not.

    Move it to its own library, make sure to rip in low quality (480p low bitrate) so you’re not spending too much disk space in her, and let it be. It’s not worth driving a rift in the family over.

    Good level headed reply, I like this. Others have suggested that as well, I’ll move the crud over to her own library, then it doesn’t pollute my main library and I can hide it from the others.

    I’d say a good middle ground could be making that stuff only visible from your mom’s user (or even setting up a completely separate server)?

    It depends on what YOU want to do, really… personally, I would be ok hosting religious nonsense if asked, as long as it’s not generally available in kids’ accounts and stuff (also, porn), but I would come clean and outright refuse if it was neonazi,racist and/or conspiracy stuff. It depends on where you decide to draw the line.

    BTW: there’s also the passive/aggressive, cowardly option of sayng “I’ll rip them when I have time” and then sequester all the DVDs and only ever find the time to rip the ones you don’t mind

    Build her a server, install it at her house, set up some sort of automated DVD ripping mechanism so that she can digitize her own collection, wait for the inevitable tech support call, then go spend a Sunday afternoon fixing her server and digitizing her collection for her while she makes you dinner. You get to call it "quality time", and you get fed while keeping her happy and her collection as far away from yours as possible. Win/win, everyone is happy.
    Use your words. Tell her you don’t want to and why.

    I don’t know if you can do this with Jellyfin but this is what I could do with Plex:

    • create an account for her
    • create a new dir for her movies
    • create a new movie library called “Mom’s special” which watches this dir
    • share the new library with her account
    • share the rest of the libraries with her account
    • drop the garbage in the special dir

    In the end no one else sees Mom’s special, while your mom sees everything and Mom’s special.

    You can do this with Jellyfin, exactly like your instructions.
    Perfect. That checks one more requirement on my migration checklist. 🥹

    I migrated from Plex to Jellyfin maybe a year and a half ago and haven't looked back. Great user experience and works so well out of the box IMO. Good Android app, too. Works with Chromecast, too (though I've been trying to ditch Chromecast in favor of just a laptop connected to the TV via HDMI).

    I started digitizing old home movies that were on VHS and created a "Home Movies" library for my family; none of us had watched them in ages since none of us have a VCR anymore, lol. Great mother's/father's day gift for one's parent if you've got the time and equipment. It's nice having the whole family able to easily stream our home movies.

    I personally believe that preserving a false and misleading picture of reality designed to trumpet a deranged cult that is working to make the world objectively worse for everyone including themselves is not acceptable.

    I would say, "Look mum I love you more than anything in the world but preserving some of these movies crosses an ethical line for me."

    Of course I grew up in a house of atheist jewish academics, so making and justifying personal ethical stances that contravene wider group stances is expected behavior in my family.

    I would be sincere:

    Movies take too many space in SSD and too many resources to host, therefore I’m not going to host movies I disagree with. And if she really want this movies to be digitalized, I would give her a choice to buy new hardware (probably SSD) to be dedicated to her.

    Whenever people ask me to put up right wing propaganda type shit I just say I can’t find it
    This was gonna be my suggestion as well.

    I bet you’d get upset if someone pruned your trashy videogsme collection.

    Is it really so hard just to let people enjoy what they enjoy without being a dick about it?

    Some people just love to dictate to others, think they know best.

    What I’ve learned over the years is how wrong I can be in my own ignorance, and adversarialism about my ignorance has never convinced me of anything.

    Hard lessons.

    “No.”

    User requests come through ombi and I’ll reject whichever ones I feel like. No explanations, I just don’t.

    It’s your Mom, if it’s not evil shit, meet her where she’s at.
    I have to agree with this. It’s your mom. If she isn’t hurting you, or asking you to watch them, and you have the space and bandwidth, just do it.
    Just explain your reason why you don’t allowed it or give her your recommendation movie that similary with her movies
    Separate library for her movies, only her user can access, done.

    This here OP! ☝️

    Jellyfin lets you do this easily.

    I disagree with my mah and old man a lot. But, when I was having hard times as a kid, giving them headaches and heartaches, and when I struggled as an adult they were there to tell me they loved me, hug me, feed me regardless of what I believed. They have always loved me unconditionally.

    If it ain’t illegal. I’ll host it for them, no questions asked. If I ever needed anything, those are two people I know will be there every time, without fail. It’s the least I can do to try and pay them back, even if I know I never could.

    Troll mode: Rip the first 5 minutes of each movie then splice in Rick Astley

    Troll activist mode: Rip the first 5 minutes of each movie then splice in Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion live reading

    Troll comedian mode: Rip the first 5 minutes of each movie then splice in Monty Python’s The Life of Brian

    Activist mode: Find a set of movies to rename that teach about the harm religion has caused

    Ethical absolutist mode: Refuse to host them, and explain why

    Non-confrontational familial support mode: Give Mom a unique user and make the god movies only accessible to that user

    I’m all seriousness it depends on what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to provide judgement-free support to your mom so she knows she can rely on you, or is it more important to try to reduce harm in the world by deplatforming harmful media? Or maybe it’s more important to try to teach your mom what’s wrong with those movies and you can come to an arrangement where she can watch those movies only if she agrees to watch movies you choose in equal amounts (since you can track it) to counteract the propaganda?

    What is most important to you?

    “Sorry, disc must be scratched”

    I say “no”, but for your case and for your mom, I’d agree with what others have said, a standalone library.

    BUT! Only the Christian movies. Put them in a library called “The Christerion Collection”.

    “Jewish Fanfics”
    SkyDaddy Drivel
    Just put them in a separate library and only share it with people that ask for it.
    You can use this as an opportunity to have a conversation about what it is about those movies that she likes. This could open up to a larger conversation where you can connect and grow your relationship as mother and child. Or she might just say something vague and simple and you can ignore the movies while they sit in a separate library.
    It was a mistake to agree to that. Also I don’t see how the types of movies change a thing

    You made an offer likely knowing what content your mother consumed.

    Also, doing this for her means those charlatans aren’t actually getting her money.

    Something to consider in favor of doing your mom a solid.

    Just make sure you out satanic films in the folder and rename them to Christian themed titles.

    For my wife, I have a separate library folder, mapped to just her account in Plex. It doesn’t appear in my library at all, so I don’t really care. Even better, I’ve spun up an Overseerr instance for her, so she can just search and auto-add anything she wants for herself.
    I tell people, like my friend that wanted a bunch of drivel kids stuff, that if they give me 2 hard drives I’ll set them up as their own library.

    If you agreed to host her collection carte blanche, that’s your failure to manage expectations.

    The better approach would have been to make an X GB partition (whatever you’re comfortable allocating) say there’s a specific amount of space available for family use. When it fills up it fills up.

    A solution would be to place these movies in a seperate Library and only give your mother access to that library, so it does not show up for you other users.
    This is it. Also given the low quality of the movies production wise you can even rip them at suboptimal settings. I am sure Mom won’t care if she watches her Christian propaganda at 4k or 720p with some visual artifacts.
    720p? Pfffft. 240i. Rip them in ‘2014 YouTube over 2G’ quality.
    Pretty much this it gets it’s own folder and in jellyfin it’s own library. You just give mom access to this and whatever else you want to. you unselect that library for everyone else. The setting is under users. It’s straightforward and is a check mark based select. You probably have it set to all libraries right now. Uncheck that and you can pick and choose per user.
    I usually just say " odd, i cant seem to find that one"

    I’m not entirely sure what those movies are like, and don’t want to know, but ……

    My Mom watches horrible Hallmark stuff constantly. As far as I can tell, every movie has the same plot, they are low quality, etc. The thing is they are simple feel good movies for her. She finds them relaxing and gets good feelings from them, perfectly appropriate for “entertainment “.

    If there is any parallel here, my point is that you don’t have to appreciate them for your Mom to. Why does it matter whether you agree with the movies or not: do you love her? Do you want to help her with entertainment that makes her feel good /relaxed/entertained?

    Honestly I’d be fine if it were hallmark movies. This is pure christian propaganda - very clear jabs that if you aren’t christian then you are not happy. Take the lame hallmark plots that are fine, but then add in that they finding jesus suddenly made them happy, they gave up all of their non christian friends, and renounced their old life type stuff. Face value it’s fine, but the undertone is just vile to me.