Augie RayMay 7, 2024
"I'm so angry at Biden over Isreal/Gaza that I'm going to help Trump destroy democracy, weaponize the Justice system, send millions to deportation camps, lower the taxes on the wealthy and shift the burden to the middle class, cut Social Security, track and prosecute women having abortions, pardon the people who violently attacked Capitol police, dismantle NATO, help Russia, AND ON TOP OF ALL THAT do even more harm to Palestinians" is a take--it's just a really awful take, IMO.
Show threadEvan ProdromouMay 7, 2024

@augieray

"I support this war so much that I'm going to ignore the position of the vast majority of my constituents and party members even though it endangers our chances of re-election in the Fall" is also a take.

Show threadAugie RayMay 7, 2024
@evan I find that glib. Biden does not "love war." And I suspect you're mature and smart enough to understand he's between a rock and a hard place over support for Israel and Gaza. So, in the end, the choice is yours: You can be really, really angry at Biden and not vote, or you can do more to help the world and make Gaza safer by voting for Biden. Elections are not love affairs--you're selecting between flawed choices, not getting everything you want in a candidate.
Show threadEvan Prodromou

@augieray Opposition to genocide is a peremptory norm or jus cogens. We don't get to opt out and say there are more important priorities. It's the highest priority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peremptory_norm?wprov=sfla1

Peremptory norm - Wikipedia

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Show threadAugie RayMay 7, 2024
@evan So you want to help the guy who actively supports genocide instead of the guy who is working to limit the war in Gaza? Make that make sense.
Show threadPickleMay 7, 2024
@augieray @evan How exactly is Biden working to limit it? All I see is him enabling and accelerating the genocide against Palestinians, whilst doing a bit of performative finger wagging at Netanyahu and Israel. We all know Trump is worse, but pretending Biden and the Democratic Party aren't also guilty of a lot of what you are accusing Trump of?
Show threadTexty the BardMay 7, 2024

@Pickle @augieray @evan Why are you pretending that there are more than two choices? There aren't. One of them will be POTUS. That's reality, whether you like it or not. Also reality: one of those men is 1,000 times worse for everyone on the planet, *especially* Palestinians.

I get wishing there were other choices. But there aren't. If that makes you feel like giving into nihilism, fine. Just don't drag literally the entire world down with you.

Show threadPickleMay 7, 2024
@textualdeviance @augieray @evan I am not pretending anything of the sort, simply questioning the truth of what someone else is claiming.
Show threadmav May 7, 2024

@evan @augieray

I really don't like being this guy but the risk analyst in me won't stop. Sorry.

The United States does not fully comply with this idea by and of itself, inside its own borders, on our own citizens; we openly use both torture and slavery in prisons, and additionally refoulement is fairly commonplace.

Just sayin': the US is not a good place.