Augie RayMay 7, 2024
"I'm so angry at Biden over Isreal/Gaza that I'm going to help Trump destroy democracy, weaponize the Justice system, send millions to deportation camps, lower the taxes on the wealthy and shift the burden to the middle class, cut Social Security, track and prosecute women having abortions, pardon the people who violently attacked Capitol police, dismantle NATO, help Russia, AND ON TOP OF ALL THAT do even more harm to Palestinians" is a take--it's just a really awful take, IMO.
Show threadEvan ProdromouMay 7, 2024

@augieray

"I support this war so much that I'm going to ignore the position of the vast majority of my constituents and party members even though it endangers our chances of re-election in the Fall" is also a take.

Show threadAugie RayMay 7, 2024
@evan I find that glib. Biden does not "love war." And I suspect you're mature and smart enough to understand he's between a rock and a hard place over support for Israel and Gaza. So, in the end, the choice is yours: You can be really, really angry at Biden and not vote, or you can do more to help the world and make Gaza safer by voting for Biden. Elections are not love affairs--you're selecting between flawed choices, not getting everything you want in a candidate.
Show threadEvan ProdromouMay 7, 2024

@augieray I do not think my reply was significantly more glib than your original post.

There is a lot that can be done to win back voters who are turned off of Biden because of the war. For example, emphasizing the leadership role the US has played in the ceasefire process. Getting food and medicine into Gaza. Conditioning aid.

Blaming people who oppose ethnic cleansing for the return of Trump isn't it, though.

I wish you good luck with your effort!

Show threadAugie Ray
@evan Thanks. I'd suggest you stop worrying so much about "blame" and instead worry about how to make the entire world--including Gaza--safer. The way to do so is NOT to help the guy Netanyahu wants to win.
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Show threadEvan ProdromouMay 7, 2024
@augieray I don't think there is a worse possible outcome than the Kahanist goal of eradication of Palestinians from Gaza.
Show threadmav May 7, 2024

@evan @augieray

I don't want to minimize that because it is horrific.

That said, this is what Trump's stated goals are:

The eradication of the Palestinian people from Gaza,, plus the end of Ukraine as an independent nation (which could directly lead to open war in Europe,) the extermination of trans people in the US, end of most US social programs, countrywide ban on abortion, the end of public education... and these are only Trump's stated goals.

Now, I'll grant you, there's a very real possibility we will get some of those things _anyway_, no matter what we do, but there's a significant difference IMO between trying to prevent something and encouraging it.