Institute Jerry Garcia StudiesMay 2, 2024

#jerrybase is moving to the model that Deadbase used for the Drum and Space section of #gratefuldead shows.

They called it Drumz, we are going to call it "Drums and Space". Same thing though.

If you want to get a preview of what this will look like, we've deployed it to our test site.

https://test.jerrybase.com/songs/1693

Once we get it to the real site we will clean it up a bit, but you get the picture.

From our FAQ...

Show threadjesse jarnowMay 2, 2024
@InstituteJerry ...except the multiple '77-'78 versions that don't have any space, i hope? those tours where space happened some nights but not all is an important part of the evolution. i strongly believe those should be visible/searchable at a glance. likewise the random shows later when space came first.
Show threadInstitute Jerry Garcia StudiesMay 2, 2024
@bourgwick Yes, that is the plan. During those years 77-78 when the sequence was still evolving, if there is just a drum break, those will continue to be listed as Drums as they are today.
Show threadjesse jarnowMay 2, 2024
@InstituteJerry while i think "jam" should usually be eliminated, i do think of drums & space as a multi part suite that could potentially be annotated even more granularly in the '90s, when solo beam & solo bralove portions occur.
Show threadInstitute Jerry Garcia StudiesMay 2, 2024
@bourgwick re: Drums/Space, in theory I agree. The issue is we do not have the cycles to do it justice, I tried and lost my mind. However, the door is wide open for a contributor to provide us the data. If it is, say 90% complete, we will use it.
Show threadjesse jarnowMay 2, 2024
@InstituteJerry also feel compelled to add: semantically, from my perspective, putting "and" in between causes my brain to grind pretty hard in terms of describing what's happening musically.
Show threadInstitute Jerry Garcia StudiesMay 2, 2024
@bourgwick The actual name of the suite could be changed at any time. It would be a 1 minute change, feel free to suggest something. No one is in love with Drumz or "Drums and Space". But at least "Drums and Space" matches the term people use in conversation.
Show threadjesse jarnowMay 2, 2024
@InstituteJerry from an official legal publishing POV, "drums" and "space" are separate pieces of music with separate composers (with "and" sometimes used when there's a piece of bralove in the middle). that feels most accurate to me.
Show threaddminchesMay 3, 2024

@bourgwick @InstituteJerry

Jesse, rolling back to your "jam should usually be eliminated" comment, how do you think we should be handling, for example, the music that followed the last song before drums during the fall '79 tour? The band was doing a lot of stuff before the drums which no longer sounded like the proceeding song. I feel there should be some term used since at some point it was no longer "He's Gone" but it was something.

Show threadjesse jarnowMay 3, 2024
@dminches @InstituteJerry unless there's a pause in the music/pulse or a new set of identifiable chord changes, i don't think that deserves a separate setlist labeling. that's just a long awesome "he's gone." however you wanna label it on your j-card is up to you. to my mind, if something is labeled "he's gone ->", the "->" already covers jams.
Show threadInstitute Jerry Garcia StudiesMay 3, 2024
@bourgwick @dminches we are trying to use this term more judiciously in #jerrybase, kick-out-the-jams project still underway. But on our j-card we will still sometimes list "jam".
Show threaddminchesMay 3, 2024
@InstituteJerry @bourgwick
I think we need some way to identify that there was extended playing which was "unusual."
Show threadFate MusicMay 3, 2024

@dminches @InstituteJerry @bourgwick All great discussions, thanks everyone.

I am mostly indifferent, because it does not mostly exist as a problem in Garcia On The Side (GOTS) land.

Show threadjesse jarnowMay 3, 2024
@FateMusic @dminches @InstituteJerry yes, ironically because "space" was a clearly differentiated & copyrighted garcia/saunders/kahn/vitt piece separate from "drums" before it was ever a term in GD publishing.
Show threadMr. Completely
@bourgwick @FateMusic @dminches @InstituteJerry now I want to just credit that list of people as the writer for every subsequent space segment
May 3, 2024 at 4:51pmWeb