It is perpetually disappointing the extent to which so many people who claim to be Christians fail to understand even the CliffsNotes version of the Gospel.

Jesus’ arrest was probably bound to happen sooner or later though. As noted Biblical scholar Andrew Zaltzman has often pointed out, Pontius Pilate was a law and order administrator, and Jesus was absolutely guilty under the law at the time.

Tbh, Jesus probably didnt exist anyways.

They started writing about him almost 100 years after his supposed death, and AFAIK theres zero proof outside the bible that he existed.

This is patently false and easily disprovable with a cursory google. Please do not spread misinformation.

Prove it instead of casting doubt.

You’re the wrong party here, your search will prove it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annals_(Tacitus)

The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus’s reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] However, Tacitus does not reveal the source of his information. There are several hypotheses as to what sources he may have used.

buddy, if scholars past and present piled opprobrium on Voltaire for doubting it’s authenticity, what hope do you have?

Not only does this link and the other link youve been given provide many historical sources and discussions, but they also then lead to other sources.

The burden of proof lies with you invalidating hundreds of sources over thousands of years. Don’t act like I’m the one with a crackpot theory.

Let’s compare like for like - what link with a reasonable amount of scholastic cachet can you provide to back up your theory?

It’s not a crackpot theory it’s just one that doesn’t hold up to the smell test.

A man mentions tangentially three things and history decides that’s enough corroboration.

He wasn’t alive at the time, he doesn’t mention what his source is and he is writing about something else.

the smell test is irrelevant. This is a conversation about whether the scientific / historian community is at a concensus on the historical existence of the person in question.

really, mine and your individual opinions are also irrelevant, because even if both you and I never existed- the historical, academic consensus suggests the guy lived.

I’m happy to be the bad guy in that conversation because it’s really not me thats on trial here - it’s your personal faith/belief, that’s as vulnerable to subjectivity as a belief in the spritual Christian (or Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, etc) deity’s existence.

I am not commenting on whether I believe Jesus was a deity, nor am I commented on whether I personally believe there was a real Jesus as political and historical figure at the start of the Common Era - I am saying that to say definitively he did not exist is a faith/belief based assertion, and it’s misinformation to claim it as a fact, it is a belief/opinion that flies in the face of established, peer-reviewed consensus.

You are performing a sleight of hand here by saying “Jesus” and shifting between which one you are saying is real. “Historical” is a statistical no brainer as I stated above. You then shift to equate that guy to the supernatural founder of Christianity.

We (atheists and skeptics) securely say “Jesus the miracle worker and son of God” did not exist. The proof is not there. We fail to accept the proposal of a deity or reports of miracles. No faith involved.

Others use faith to claim the opposite.

It is bit like saying the garden of eden existed because DNA proved a mitochondrial Eve.