GrayoxKnow the difference.
GiganSo the tens of millions of people that died under communism were all landlords? Wow, what are the chances of that
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ÐДѷє ۷ǿȵ ຣ@Radical_EgoCom @Gigan @Grayox I’ve seen that argument many times and I am totally in the ‘capitalism ruins the world camp’. But from a practical point of view; if ‘proper communism’ has never been implemented, how do we know it will work long term on a large scale? Yes, on a small scale (ie individual companies) it has proven benefits, but that’s something completely different than a country. How are we going to prevent the drive towards a totalitarian extreme, as humans tend to do whatever system you implement.
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@Dave_von_S @Gigan @Grayox
A Libertarian communist society could prevent the drive towards totalitarianism through several mechanisms, such as the implementation of decentralized and horizontal decision-making and direct democracy, and creating mechanisms of transparency within those systems to prevent those with any kind of authority from abusing their power.
A Libertarian communist society could prevent the drive towards totalitarianism through several mechanisms, such as the implementation of decentralized and horizontal decision-making and direct democracy, and creating mechanisms of transparency within those systems to prevent those with any kind of authority from abusing their power.
@Dave_von_S @Gigan @Grayox
Creating cultural and educational initiatives that promote critical thinking and collective solidarity would also help prevent authoritarian tendencies from popping up.
Creating cultural and educational initiatives that promote critical thinking and collective solidarity would also help prevent authoritarian tendencies from popping up.
@Radical_EgoCom @Gigan @Grayox history has plenty of examples of societies that worked for decades or centuries, only to be wrecked by human greed in the end (Mayas, Venice, and even capitalism I guess). I’m not convinced we can contain greed enough to prevent it with the mechanisms you mention. Especially the direct democracy and transparency sounds nice on paper, but in reality will make every system highly ineffective. History shows a clear correlation between the growth of a society and the presence of bureaucracy. That’s also immediately a problem, because that automatically provides a path to power grabs. Decentralizing all bureaucracy to the people will quickly stop any society from advancing as the burden will grow exponentially to the point where no decisions can be made anymore.
@Dave_von_S @Gigan @Grayox
True decentralization, where power is distributed equally among individuals and communities, is the most effective way to ensure democratic decision-making. Centralized systems inherently perpetuate hierarchy and oppression, regardless of any perceived efficiency gains. Decentralized structures like worker cooperatives combined with maximizing democratic participation would overshadow any concerns about inefficiencies because empowerment of the people would lead to...
True decentralization, where power is distributed equally among individuals and communities, is the most effective way to ensure democratic decision-making. Centralized systems inherently perpetuate hierarchy and oppression, regardless of any perceived efficiency gains. Decentralized structures like worker cooperatives combined with maximizing democratic participation would overshadow any concerns about inefficiencies because empowerment of the people would lead to...
@Radical_EgoCom @Gigan @Grayox yeah, I see that work on a small scale, but not at the scale of a country and you want/need to have some basics in place regarding regulation
@Dave_von_S @Gigan @Grayox
I suppose the only true way of finding out if decentralized organization works is for people to actually try it in real life
I suppose the only true way of finding out if decentralized organization works is for people to actually try it in real life
𝓐𝓷𝓭𝔂𝓣𝓲𝓮𝓭𝔂𝓮 𓀤@Radical_EgoCom @Dave_von_S @Gigan @Grayox That is one of the reasons I encourage people to start and join co-ops.