Iraq makes same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in jail

https://lemmy.world/post/14770121

Iraq makes same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in jail - Lemmy.World

Amendments to anti-prostitution law also enable courts to sentence trans people to three years in prison Iraq’s parliament has passed a bill making same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in prison, in a move condemned as an “attack on human rights”. Transgender people will also be sentenced to three years in jail under the amendments to a 1988 anti-prostitution law, which were adopted during a session attended by 170 out of 329 lawmakers on Saturday. A previous draft had proposed capital punishment for same-sex relations, in what campaigners had called a “dangerous” escalation. The new amendments enable courts to sentence people to between 10 and 15 years in prison, according to the document seen by AFP, in a country where gay and transgender people already face frequent attacks and discrimination. They also set a minimum seven-year prison term for “promoting” same-sex relations and a sentence ranging from one to three years for men who “intentionally” act like women.

Wow. Two stories in one day about how America brought freedom to Iraq.
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Officials say unidentified man killed influencer who had previously been imprisoned over dancing videos A man on a motorbike has shot dead a social media influencer known as Om Fahad outside her Baghdad home, Iraqi security officials have said. The unidentified attacker shot Om Fahad in her car in the Zayouna district on Friday, a security official said, requesting anonymity because he was not cleared to speak to the media. Another security source said the attacker appeared to have pretended to be making a food delivery. Om Fahad became known for lighthearted TikTok videos of herself dancing to Iraqi music wearing tight-fitting clothes. In February last year, a court sentenced her to six months in prison for sharing “videos containing indecent speech that undermines modesty and public morality”.

How is this America’s fault? If anything, this is only happening because the US can’t protect them.
It’s America’s fault because Bush invaded to “bring freedom” to Iraq and then America stayed there for seven years and this is the result a decade later. And you think America should still be occupying Iraq? Should it be annexed as the 51st state or something?
What makes you think women and queers would have better living conditions if the US didn’t invade?

Queers? I don’t know. Women? Because I do know.

Until the 1990s, Iraqi women played an active role in the political and economic development of Iraq.[121] In 1969, the Ba’ath Party established the General Federation of Iraqi Women, which offered many social programs to women, implementing legal reforms advancing women’s status under the law and lobbying for changes to the personal status code.[121] In 1986, Iraq became one of the first countries to ratify the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women.[121]

During the 1970s and 1980s, Saddam Hussein urged women to fill men’s places in schools, universities, hospitals, factories, the army, and the police. However, women’s employment subsequently decreased as they were encouraged to make way for returning soldiers in the late 1980s and the 1990s.[122] In general in cases of war, as Nadje Sadig Al-Ali, author of Iraqi Women: Untold Stories from 1948 to the Present, argues, "women carried the conflicting double burden of being the main motors of the state bureaucracy and the public sector, the main breadwinners and heads of households but also the mothers of ‘future soldiers.’[123]: 168  In the years following the 1991 Gulf War, many of the positive steps that had been taken to advance women’s and girls’ status in Iraqi society were reversed due to a combination of legal, economic, and political factors.[121] As the economy constricted due to sanctions, women were pushed into more traditional roles.[121] Moreover, Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists, brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.[123]: 202  However, despite Saddam’s appeals to the anti-women elements of Iraqi society, according to local NGOs, they concluded that “women were treated better during the Saddam Hussein era and their rights were more respected than they are now.”[124]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Iraq

The Criminal Code of 1969, enacted by the Ba’athist party, only criminalized sexual behavior in cases of adultery, incest, rape, prostitution, public acts, or cases involving fraud or someone unable to give consent due to age or mental defect. Homosexuality per se was not a crime, but could be justification for government discrimination and harassment under laws designed to protect national security and public morality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq

So I don’t know for sure if queer people’s lives would have been better, but at least they wouldn’t have been automatic criminals.

See above: re Satayana.

Women in Iraq - Wikipedia

Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists, brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.[123]: 202  However, despite Saddam’s appeals to the anti-women elements of Iraqi society, according to local NGOs, they concluded that “women were treated better during the Saddam Hussein era and their rights were more respected than they are now.”

It looks to me like this would’ve happened anyways, it was just a matter of time.

Did you think they were going to stop “attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists” at any point?

Yes, I quoted that part. It came after the part I bolded that said “In the years following the 1991 Gulf War,” which makes me think you didn’t actually read much of it.

The 1991 Gulf War was when the U.S. invaded Iraq the first time. It was, again, America’s fault.

1991 takes place after 1990, which is when Saddam “brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.”

They started “attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists” before the 1991 Gulf War, yet you think the 1991 Gulf War is what caused them to "maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists”?

Interesting.

1990? You mean when America started threatening to Invade and Saddam sought the aid of the fundamentalists to stay in power, going against his own party?

Yes, I agree, Saddam was a terrible dictator.

That doesn’t change the fact that homosexuality was legal when he was in charge and illegal now.

That doesn’t change the fact that homosexuality was legal when he was in charge and illegal now.

I re-iterate my previous point of “it looks to me like this would’ve happened anyways, it was just a matter of time.”

“Did you think they were going to stop ‘attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists’ at any point?”

And I re-iterate my previous point that it wouldn’t have happened anyway if America hadn’t stuck its nose in.

Saddam didn’t reach out to the Islamists while at war with Iran. He certainly could have.

Iraq independently passes shitty law
This is all America's fault even though they aren't there and have nothing to do with it
Surely if left to their own devices, a woman and LGBT friendly paradise would be there
America Bad even when an independent country makes its own decision somehow

So that I don’t repeat myself, see this reply: lemmy.world/comment/9699031

Homosexuality was legal in Iraq while Saddam was in power.

Edit: re your edit-

You realize that by reducing all political activity in Iraq to the invasion of Iraq, you are posing the Iraqi people as puppets with no will of their own?

No, but I am saying their will isn’t being represented. Because it isn’t.

chathamhouse.org/…/iraqi-elections-still-do-not-d…

Iraq makes same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in jail - Lemmy.World

Amendments to anti-prostitution law also enable courts to sentence trans people to three years in prison Iraq’s parliament has passed a bill making same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in prison, in a move condemned as an “attack on human rights”. Transgender people will also be sentenced to three years in jail under the amendments to a 1988 anti-prostitution law, which were adopted during a session attended by 170 out of 329 lawmakers on Saturday. A previous draft had proposed capital punishment for same-sex relations, in what campaigners had called a “dangerous” escalation. The new amendments enable courts to sentence people to between 10 and 15 years in prison, according to the document seen by AFP, in a country where gay and transgender people already face frequent attacks and discrimination. They also set a minimum seven-year prison term for “promoting” same-sex relations and a sentence ranging from one to three years for men who “intentionally” act like women.

They were a shithole before we invaded and they are still a shithole. We didn’t bomb homophobia into the country.
And yet, homosexuality was legal then and it’s illegal now. Seems like a big difference to me.
Iraq was a secular country with the best healthcare in the region. The US war made electricity and water no longer available 24/7 and allowed a wave of fundamentalism in.

I’d trade Iraq for Texas. They have more oil and probably less genocidal bigots, even in light of this news.

At least you can talk Iraqis down from the death penalty.

Must be time to bomb them back into compliance with western values.
The sad thing is a significant chunk of Lemmy seems to have either forgotten America’s role in shaping Iraq into the way it is today or aren’t aware of it at all. Satayana would be shaking his head.
whoosh
Do please tell me what I’m missing. Is the person I was replying to who I was essentially agreeing with also missing the same thing?
Your original reply seemed like you were talking about the comment, not agreeing with it
Just to be clear I was joking. I don’t want to bomb anyone ever.

Yeah, and the other commenter got it, but the other other one thought that that other commenter thought you were serious. But the other other commenter was wrong; that other commenter knew you were joking. And so did I.

Man, this is getting confusing. But everyone understood your comment, at least! Lol

Well I was wrong about someone else being wrong but I think you’re about who was wrong or right. Am I right?
No, I think we’re both wrong to the right.
Three rights make a left.
Iran has been shaping them into what they are now though.
Iran didn’t “guide” them into creating a constitution that was deferential to Islam. In fact, the Ba’ath party, which was gotten rid of when Saddam was defeated, was secular. It was the U.S. that did that.

Bombing isn’t really in the Iraq playbook yet.

Maybe it can be added after the latest section on insurrection sand we’ll see about next time.

This is how I find out Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei is breaking up with me?

Whatever. He was a terrible kisser anyway.

you mixed up your Ira-s

Yep. I noticed and deleted it.

For the curious, it was a throwaway joke about this being how I found out Iran’s Supreme Leader was breaking up with me. But this is about Iraq so I think we’re still together.

I can’t believe the Irish would enact such a law 😔
Its weird republicans hate middle eastern people so much. These guys are enacting the laws they wish they had.

@Sanctus @MicroWave

Do you remember the Dave Chappel skit where a blind black man was a white supremacist and joined the KKK?

He did not understand why they wanted to kill him because he thought just like them?

that KKK also had a gay man at their meeting. his head exploded
They only hate them because they ain’t them.
Well that and their racism
It’s a movie reference

Not to me. People can agree and not like each other. For example both me and another man can agree that X belongs to someone, X is very desirable to have, and that X’s ownership is in dispute between me and someone else.

Christians and Muslims agree on many things that doesn’t mean less conflict it means more.

Made me think of this video by darkmatter2525 (beware, it’s kindof offensive, but also funny)

youtu.be/KYV7KWQ-fY4

Christian VS Muslim

YouTube
Man all the freedom the USA brought in action bigly
Coming soon to a red state near you!
Including them being talked down from the death penalty.

Florida is already there. They’ve been trying to:

  • Allow the death penalty for sexual abusers
  • Make trans healthcare for children a kind of sex abuse
  • Reduce the number of jurors needed to give someone the death sentence
Thanks American brought freedom to Iraq
Yeah, I mean before America showed up, they were all for same sex marriages over there. Saddam loved the LGBT community! /S
The point is “liberating” them didn’t make things better. Not that things were good before.
Ok? What’s even the point of the statement though? Why make everything about America?

I responded to a comment about the US invasion. It wasn’t me making anything about about something else.

Sure I know what the real origin of this whole thing is. Islam, like the other Abrahamic faiths, is anti-LGBT.

America is on that path right now too. I hate it here.
Stop believing in skydaddy and save the life of a LGBT person
they’re proposing to lock same-sex partners together for 15 years? why not just let them live together by themselves – they save 15 years’ worth of taxpayer money per person!
It’s just really extreme marriage counseling