PugJesusThis goes out to my homies on .ml instances!
Ensign_CrabI see so much whining about tankies, and so few tankies.
Once world has defederated from .ml, which is the next instance to be designated the tankie instance?
Cowbee [he/they]Could be the ratchet effect. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are both explicitly Marxist-Leninist, but .ml is explicitly FOSS and Privacy based, just with Marxist-Leninist admins.
I suppose the “next boogyman” will probably be an instance with a very lax defederation policy like Lemm.ee, db0, or Shitjustworks, if Lemmy.world ever defederates with Lemmy.ml. Either that, or they will jump ship to Sublinks and that will be an entirely different platform.
I mean there are communities dedicated to having a problem with Lemmy itself being developed by Marxist-Leninists. Not sure it’ll stop at the instance level.
But hey: Shitjustworks defederated Lemmygrad since the admin doesn’t like them and hexbear defederated shitjustworks, so I only ever see these kind of after-action-reports from the folks that go out searching for bad takes from those instances or wherever.
My comment was more to the effect that since Lemmy doesn’t really have a large number of Conservatives, the Left in general is the boogeyman for Liberals in Lemmy.world, and they largely won’t stop punching leftward until they either become leftists themselves or they leave Lemmy (perhaps via Sublinks?).
Depends. Which one will be banning people for ‘Sinophobia’ for voicing anything other Critical Support For The Comrade-Chairman?
Why do I get the feeling you got banned and afr mad about it?
Why do I get the feeling you got banned and are mad about it?
lmao. I’ve observed .ml, but not participated, because I saw it was a shitshow early in my migration. Check the Lemmy modlog if you like; I haven’t been banned from any .ml community as far as I know. I don’t think I’ve ever even intentionally commented on an .ml community past the first month.
But disingenuous bullshit is the constant fallback of concern trolls like you. Spew enough shit, and someone will eat it up, just like the rest of your circle.
So you just read it to have something to your left to hate?
I guess that’s one way to live. You know you can block instances, right?
So you just read it to have something to your left to hate?
No. I read it because I was curious as to whether it was a good instance to interact with.
I found out very quickly that it was not.
But you aren’t interested in anything except apologia for tankies. I don’t know that you’re a ‘useful idiot’, so to speak, but I do know that you’re useful for them.
I guess that’s one way to live. You know you can block instances, right?
I don’t even have anything I’m not subscribed to on my feed, lmao.
Watch the goalposts change now from “ML isn’t that bad!” to “Well you can just block it!” and, subsequently, it will become “Well the tankies aren’t running your communities so why do you care?”
The accusations change; all that remains is the desire to defend their bootlicking friends.
I don’t even have anything I’m not subscribed to on my feed, lmao.
So you’re mad about something you don’t interact with?
It looks to me like you’re mad about something you disagree with and blocking them isn’t enough for you.
So you’re mad about something you don’t interact with?
It looks to me like you’re mad about something you disagree with and blocking them isn’t enough for you.
“Tankies don’t even run your communities, so why are you mad?”
Fucking called it.
That’s not even close to what I said.
Frankly, you’re just mad that anyone to your left exists and have decided to call them all tankies.
That’s not even close to what I said.
It absolutely is.
“Why are you mad? Just don’t interact!” and "Tankies don’t even run your communities, so why are you mad?” differ only in that the latter is more specific about what kind of interaction (I called ‘running’ while you went for ‘presence’), but it’s clearly there. But deny even apparent facts and someone will fall for it.
Frankly, you’re just mad that anyone to your left exists and have decided to call them all tankies.
It’s hilarious that you think tankies are leftists.
I didn’t say tankies were leftists. I said that you call anyone who disagrees with you from your left a tankie.
I didn’t say tankies were leftists. I said that you call anyone who disagrees with you from your left a tankie.
Which you learned, of course, from the fact that… I posted a meme making fun of tankie support for the CCP?
lmao
No, I learned it because you were saying that people who oppose Netanyahu’s genocide are tankies who support the CCP.
No, I learned it because you were saying that people who oppose Netanyahu’s genocide are tankies who support the CCP.
Fucking WHAT?
Where the FUCK did I say people who oppose Bibi’s genocide are tankies? You’re literally talking to someone who has been calling it a genocide since before October 7 and the resulting Israeli offensive.
The meme is “Tankies clearly see one thing, but are completely blind to the same thing elsewhere”.
Where the FUCK did I say people who oppose Bibi’s genocide are tankies?
It’s the same guy wearing the same hat.
harkInstead you make inflammatory post about .ml from afar. Thanks for your concern. Maybe you should try ignoring .ml which you supposedly hate so much?
Maybe tankies from .ml and Lemmygrad should stay the fuck out of communities where non-fascists are the majority.
YeetPicsDude that is super antisemetic
Everything that isn’t enthusiastic support of the genocide you love must be antisemitic.
If you haven’t seen them you’ve been lucky. They are definitely out there
The “I barely see any tankies on the fediverse!” types are just concern trolls who don’t mind tankies. Don’t take it as genuine.
Ricky RigatoniI barely see any tankies on the fediverse!
Because I block their instances and users on sight :3
I get called a tankie and a trumpist by people who don’t like that I think Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Far as I’m concerned, it’s just something centrists say when they know their support for genocide is indefensible.
SoleInvictusPainting this with such a broad brush is just a lazy way to discourage critical thought and discussion. Maybe not your intention but it’s unproductive.
“You should try and have a productive discussion with fascists because they have a dab of red paint on them” is not a sentiment I agree with.
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that the person whose initial comment I responded to was a strawman argument would respond to my comment with yet another strawman argument. I figured it was worth a try!
I don’t see how my response to you was a strawman, except insofar as one might disagree that tankies are fascists with a dab of red paint.
My argument was that suggesting those who have commented on a high tanky comment to actual tanky (tanky_comment:tanky_real) ratio are mostly concern trolls is unhelpful because it writes off dissenting opinions with a simple, if unlikely, solution. I feel you’re shutting down discussion by encouraging others to ignore dissent - ignore them, they’re just trolling.
You responded by refuting paraphrased text whose content is not only absent in my comment, that message can’t even be directly inferred from it, either alone or in conjunction with your original comment. That’s textbook strawman - refuting an argument that isn’t the one being discussed.
Now is that your interpretation, that the consequence of not writing off anyone who has critical observations regarding all the tanky gripe comments as concern trolls is cultivating the sentiment of talking with fascists? If that’s the case, when you skip some steps by not explaining how you came to that conclusion and instead present your interpretation of the consequences as a direct paraphrase of my argument, it comes across as a strawman.
The “There aren’t even that many tankies! You’re just mad at the TRUE leftists!” comments I’m talking about are pretty inevitably from people decrying anti-tankie sentiment in general, not just people saying “Yeah, tankies are shit, but I don’t see them around.” As the latter is considerably rarer, saying that generally they’re just concern trolls voicing that is correct (based on those presumptions). “Generally” doesn’t mean a law, it means a rule of thumb.
This all makes a lot more sense. I’ve had a different experience. I tend to see more comments like your latter, that they’re shit but not around, than the former, although we might frequent different communities. It’s also my opinion so it might be selection bias. Now I understand how we’d both interpret your original comment to have very different implications.
I do apologize, then. I am, even on other issues and in less contentious threads, ‘quick on the draw’, so to speak. I’m sorry for reacting with so much hostility.
No apology necessary, it was a good conversation and gave me some good material to think more about. Thanks for being willing to talk it out, it’s appreciated!
There’s sure a lot of straw in this thread. You bailing?
“Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a fascist” is not a sentiment that I find productive to cultivate.
Sorry for thinking that genocide under a totalitarian state “Because it will totally wither away bro trust me” is fascist. I’ll be sure to follow the Party Line next time, I promise.
Oh yeah, I’m sure you’re not misrepresenting entire instances by painting them with a broad brush.
Lazy attempt at sounding like a victim.
Be better.
“Stfu lib”
-a tankie that totally doesn’t exist
Meanwhile the people shrieking about tankies day and night are what? Not concerned?
Meanwhile the people shrieking about tankies day and night are what? Not concerned?
Pretending to not know what concern trolling is. Classic.
Uh huh. Your concern is noted.
“Anyone who disagrees with me is a concern troll”. Are we on c/conservative? Cause there’s sure a lot of conservative brand cope in here.
^“Anyone who disagrees with me is a concern troll lib”.
Do you see how absolutely petulant your ilk sounds?
Lol, “your ilk”. While I disagree with making assumptions about others based on little to no information, I do know that those who make assumptions about others based on information they’ve entirely fabricated can be safely ignored as they have little of consequence to contribute. Thanks for showing me that up front.
They are definitely out there
Under your bed. Have fun finding the next tankie instance.
There’s a lot of tankies. You’re one of them. Although you pretty narrowly focus on “biden bad” propaganda
Go away, stalker.
I’m not stalking you, I just call out people with shit takes, and you spew a lot of shit everywhere.
Weren’t you going to block me? Whatever happened to that?
Go away, stalker.
I’ve noticed that whenever a concern troll gets noticed for how often and consistently they regurgitate their bile, they always throw a fit. A shame. No one takes pride in their work these days!
ArxCyberwolfIt’s like they forget Lemmy is a small enough community that people will recognize usernames and patterns of behaviour. They shouldn’t be surprised at being called out on multiple occasions.
Nothing worse to them than pattern recognition.
Which bile would that be?
I don’t think they’re a tankie, just a tankie apologist. Though one could always look at the “There are 9 fascists sitting at a table” argument, I don’t think they’re ideologically completely aligned. Just enough to be willing to slobber on their boots.
That you can complain about fascism while unironically using this textbook fascist logic is enlightening.
That you can complain about fascism while unironically using this textbook fascist logic is enlightening.
Do you think the “9 fascists sitting at a table” argument is ‘textbook fascist logic’?
No, that’s just common sense. It’s the tankie apologist/concern troll business. You seem to be comfortable labeling dissenters in a way that lumps them in with an out group even if there’s no clear indication they are part of that group.
This is common fascist behavior, for example during the United States’s McCarthy era. While persecuting leftists was the main goal, McCarthy and his cronies would also persecute anyone who objected, labeling them communist apologists or just communists themselves, ensuring their objections were disregarded.
Man, in this very thread the progression I’m bitching about happens with “There aren’t any tankies!” comments.
“Leaves of three, leave it be” isn’t a law, but it’s quick advice. If you’re out in the woods of Appalachia and see some ivy with three leaves, chances are it’s Poison Ivy. “Generally posters claiming there aren’t many tankies on the Fediverse are concern trolls” isn’t a law, but it’s quick advice. If, in the Fediverse, of all places, someone is not merely claiming to have personally not seen many tankies, but firmly saying (or implying through additional statements) that there aren’t many tankies on here, they are generally a concern troll.
As for tankie apologists, I don’t see why a tankie apologist should be regarded differently from a Nazi apologist, or any other fascist apologist. Ardent apologism by people not part of the in-group is a thing, and surprisingly common. Like atheists who praise Christians to high heaven (pun intended), or right-wing minorities playing “They’re not that bad” games about the alt-right.