When European settler colonists first encountered the indigenous communities of northeastern North America, many things surprised them about the indigenous communities.

Among these, the Europeans were surprised to discover how restrained and personally responsible the people in these communities were. They very, very rarely engaged in interpersonal violence. They didn’t insult each other; they didn’t lose their tempers around each other.

The Europeans were also surprised to discover that the people in these communities rarely, if ever, disciplined their children. They were, the Europeans believed, impossibly indulgent with their children, allowing them immense personal freedom.

I think it would surprise many contemporary readers that those two things don’t conflict with each other. People living in contemporary state-capitalist modernity tend to assume that children require quite rigid discipline, the routinized order of mass schooling, and fairly constant coercion to keep them out of trouble and turn them into civilized, responsible adults.

It turns out that lots of things we assume to be self-evidently true are not actually true at all.

@HeavenlyPossum taking schools ( which are dreadful) out of the picture the littles occasionally need discipline. Obviously not physical or harsh but establishing rules is important. We don’t live in a society where we can count on a village to help raise a child. Toddlers need boundaries. Don’t pull the cats tail, don’t run away in public, don’t try and flush things that shouldn’t be flushed down the toilet. You can’t have a logical adult conversation with a two year old.

@CatDragon

“We don’t live in a society” in which we can plausibly allow children the same sort of freedom that they demonstrably and successfully enjoy in other societies; I agree with that much.

I’d encourage you to consider a distinction between “educating” people and *disciplining* people you consider unable to make the same sorts of decisions you can.

@HeavenlyPossum I will also add in this. My grandson is T1D. He was diagnosed at 3 years old. I can assure you that you cannot educate a toddler as to the benefit of being stuck multiple times a day. Bribing does not work when their fingertips are raw from testing and they’ve just Had Enough. Sometimes things needed to be taken away and earned back. Sometimes outings had to be cancelled.
You know, because we didn’t want him to die.