When European settler colonists first encountered the indigenous communities of northeastern North America, many things surprised them about the indigenous communities.

Among these, the Europeans were surprised to discover how restrained and personally responsible the people in these communities were. They very, very rarely engaged in interpersonal violence. They didn’t insult each other; they didn’t lose their tempers around each other.

The Europeans were also surprised to discover that the people in these communities rarely, if ever, disciplined their children. They were, the Europeans believed, impossibly indulgent with their children, allowing them immense personal freedom.

I think it would surprise many contemporary readers that those two things don’t conflict with each other. People living in contemporary state-capitalist modernity tend to assume that children require quite rigid discipline, the routinized order of mass schooling, and fairly constant coercion to keep them out of trouble and turn them into civilized, responsible adults.

It turns out that lots of things we assume to be self-evidently true are not actually true at all.

It’s a baked-in, unquestioned assumption in hegemonic contemporary society that there’s this whole class of people who intrinsically can’t make decisions for themselves and self-evidently must be coercively managed as a result, and meanwhile there are entire societies in which adults don’t even *raise their voices* at children because why would it be ok to shout at people in anger?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/03/13/685533353/a-playful-way-to-teach-kids-to-control-their-anger

“But children don’t know better and have to be forced to do things for their own good”

This logic has also been used to control and abuse women, the disabled, and members of minority communities *in our own contemporary society.* It has been employed to justify the enslavement of Black people and genocidal assimilationist policies for indigenous peoples. Whose good is it really for?

I suspect that the vast majority of behaviors parents feel compelled to impose on their children—“I don’t believe in domination but I can’t have my kid doing xyz”—are not at all about the well-being of their child but rather about conforming to the constraints that capitalist modernity imposes on us.

I have to be at work by a certain time set autocratically by my employer, so I have to get my kid to bed at a certain time so *I* can get enough sleep to get to work, or risk losing access to the revenue I need to keep me and my kid alive. The school will impose fines on me and potentially deploy armed truancy police if my kids arrive at school after a time set by bureaucrats who are only superficially responsive to public preferences.

This is one trivial example. It’s worth reflecting on other ways you behave towards children, which believe yourself compelled by responsibility but are actually compelled by authoritarian structures imposed on us from above.

@HeavenlyPossum I can't have my kid eat this battery or they will die. I have to force-feed them this antibiotic or they will lose hearing in their infected ear. I have to constraint them so they don't run into the road or they will get roadkilled. I'm at the toddler stage. Yeah, it's weird being anti auth and having a toddler.

@licho

It’s not really coercive to take action to protect someone who has no control over themselves. If an adult were to sleepwalk towards a cliff, I wouldn’t consider it authoritarian to interpose myself between them and the cliff to stop them from dying.

@HeavenlyPossum see? They don't know any better and have to be forced for their own good. There's no hard line to draw. It's incredibly difficult. Us parents are doing literally best we can. Except some extreme cases, we are driven by the most innate love and instinct a human can have. It's easy to see it as oppression but at the end of the day, you have to do it. Have to forcefully open their mouth and feed that antibiotic. Screens are less extreme, but they cause brain underdevelopment - much more so in a developing brain that doesn't yet fully understands 3D. It's less harmful to the adults.