Possible snipers seen at OSU. Administration says they're not snipers but should be treated like they are.

https://mander.xyz/post/12358294

Possible snipers seen at OSU. Administration says they're not snipers but should be treated like they are. - Mander

cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/11490010 [https://midwest.social/post/11490010] > Update, yes there are snipers: > > > > [https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/108cc8bb-36fb-4162-b5a2-b5cf790270a7.jpeg]

So I have a question I sort of posted in there too but figure I’ll bring the conversation over here (in a more respectful way)

These are called spotters/marksman and they have them at football games, the Olympics, presumably political events, etc. to handle the threat of suicide bombers and other mass-population terrorist threats

How should we handle these threats without police intervention/snipers to quickly take out a bomber?

Looking for civil discourse if at all possible, but I also understand this is a high stakes discussion and directly affects some more than others

The fact you Americans think this is normal for a protest says more then anything I can comment.

A good test is to think of a private entitiy doing this and if that passes the smell test. I don’t think deploying snipers at events has ever saved anyone (correct me if I am missing an incident) and in this case if they are their to protect the students why does the school not hire their own sharpshooters?

You bring up a good point. The prevention part - snipers are seemingly ineffective. The reaction/response portion however, does point to guns being used to prevent further damage. 2016 dallas shooting - police used a bomb to take out the shooter after the fact. LA airport shooting in 2013 - taken down with regular guns.

I think you might be mistaken as to the point of the police being on site. Its not really the job of police to protect (and extra so for protesters). The risk of a terror attack on any large group of people is a weak excuse for this sort of response from police.

Something about those who give up liberty for safety deserve nether…

I sorta agree, but wanted to ask for some clarification - what liberties do you see being given up here? They didn’t really take anything away, they were just there. It’s definitely intimidating, and nobody trusts the police (for good reason, namely lack of appropriate oversight, action, and training) but I can’t see how anything was taken away or given up here for the illusion of saftey that the snipers would hypothetically be providing, know what I mean?

You have normalized a police state where as a people you now think it is normal to have things like sniper teams set up at all major events with a lot of people. This has been done as you have stated; “to handle the threat of suicide bombers and other mass-population terrorist threats” even though sniper teams have almost no ability to stop or even just not make the situation considerably worse.

The thing about trading liberties for extra safety is not only about the liberties lost but that it is a fools journey since the things done for safety are more likely to be ether useless, or just bad (think TSA vs militarizing the police).

You are not stopping a mass casualty event at the time and place of the event itself but well before it. This show of force is just control, theatre, a waste of taxpayer money and in the worst case the cause (ironically enough) of a mass casualty event.

Well said. Thank you.